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To: ebb tide

You ever read Unam Sanctam?

You HAVE to be in submission to the Pope no matter what. There is no ‘except if ebb tide objects’ clause. He’s the Pope. You have to submit or no longer be Catholic.

Unless of course, ex cathedra bulls are NOT binding, in which case, Protestants are NOT bound to obey church authority, and your hatred of us is irrational.


8 posted on 11/03/2017 2:25:56 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin
You HAVE to be in submission to the Pope no matter what.

Which pope? The ones who were Catholics, many of whom were saints, or a heretic?

10 posted on 11/03/2017 2:30:59 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Luircin

“you have to be in submission to the pope”....sounds quite similar to “I was just following orders”


12 posted on 11/03/2017 2:34:35 PM PDT by JerryBlackwell (some animals are more equal than others)
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To: Luircin

Don’t you know....some Roman Catholics decide for themselves what they chose to believe in Roman Catholicism. Statements of the pope not withstanding.


14 posted on 11/03/2017 3:37:44 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Luircin
Pope St. Gregory the Great (590-604): "The holy universal Church teaches that it is not possible to worship God truly except in Her and asserts that all who are outside of Her will not be saved."

St. Francis of Assisi (1182-1226): "All who have not believed that Jesus Christ was really the Son of God are doomed. Also, all who see the Sacrament of the Body of Christ and do not believe it is really the most holy Body and Blood of the Lord . . . these also are doomed!"

St. Thomas Aquinas (1226-1274), the Angelic Doctor: There is no entering into salvation outside the Catholic Church, just as in the time of the Flood there was not salvation outside the Ark, which denotes the Church."

St. Louis Marie de Montfort (1673-1716): "There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. Anyone who resists this truth perishes."

St. Robert Bellarmine (1542-1621), Bishop and Doctor of the Church: "Outside the Church there is no salvation...therefore in the symbol (Apostles Creed) we join together the Church with the remission of sins: 'I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins"...For this reason the Church is compared to the Ark of Noah, because just as during the deluge, everyone perished who was not in the ark, so now those perish who are not in the Church."

St. Alphonsus Maria de Liguori (1696-1787), Bishop and Doctor of the Church: "All the misfortunes of unbelievers spring from too great an attachment to the things of life. This sickness of heart weakens and darkens the understanding, and leads to eternal ruin. If they would try to heal their hearts by purging them of their vices, they would soon receive light, which would show them the necessity of joining the Catholic Church, where alone is salvation. We should constantly thank the Lord for having granted us the gift of the true Faith, by associating us with the children of the Holy Catholic Church ... How many are the infidels, heretics, and schismatics who do not enjoy the happiness of the true Faith! Earth is full of them and they are all lost!"

20 posted on 11/03/2017 4:33:39 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: Luircin

Nothing this pope has said or published is excathedra and binding on the faithful being anathema for disagreement. He has stated a wide range of personal opinions some of which are not in accord with the long held dogmas of the Church. The luxury of a long, unbroken chain of Magisterial teaching is that we can discern how Francis’ sayings fit within Church teaching and disregard what is contradictory.


46 posted on 11/03/2017 6:54:02 PM PDT by Flying Circus (God help us)
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To: Luircin; aMorePerfectUnion; metmom; boatbums; ealgeone; Elsie
He’s the Pope. You have to submit or no longer be Catholic.

I believe you are correct bro. I got tired of submitting to the pope, the priests and nuns. I couldn’t stop committing mortal sins. I think I must have committed a thousand mortal sins a day, and I couldn’t stop, so I thought there must be something different out there. Thanks be to God, there is spiritual truth out there, but is spiritually discerned. Only those with saving faith can understand it. Otherwise, it is gibberish to the unregenerate. 😀😆😄

47 posted on 11/03/2017 7:48:52 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: Luircin
You HAVE to be in submission to the Pope no matter what

Well, the first necessary but not sufficient requirement for the above to obtain is that...The pope is still Catholic.

Without that, submission is not compulsory or even desirable.

49 posted on 11/03/2017 8:00:43 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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