Posted on 10/09/2017 11:47:22 PM PDT by Sontagged
In July 1980, Bryan Melvin drank cholera-tainted water and died.
He was transported to Hell where he saw many people being tormented for their sins, including someone he identified as Hitler.
A Land Unknown: Hell's Dominion (Bryan Melvin's Book) on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Hell-Back-Bryan-Melvin/dp/B001T9O68S http://www.10LoveCommandments.com
Heck; all we have to do is to read the Book!
Plenty of data there that SHOULD convince someone that Hell is NOT gonna be a nice place at all!
[[Similarly, offering a scientific explanation does not prove the explanation.]]
Well- when enough examples present to show a common experience, then one has to at least consider it an explanation- either in part or in whole- sometimes there just are no answers- or at least answers that we’ve yet discovered-
[[To me, most of the proffered scientific explanations for NDEs are pretty thin.]]
Saw a show awhile back that described scientific tests that showed much of what i discussed- not that it’s a definitive answer to all NDE experiences, but it could be partial answers-
I don’t think my NDE was really anything more than the brain malfunctioning, and the high fever causing hallucinations- The reason i believe that is because some of what i saw was unbiblical - so I think it was working on knowledge i had, but skewing it by lack of proper blood and oxygen, and mis-firing synapses- But i can not say for sure- all i can do is relate what happened and what i think caused it
Then what IS it about?
Ever since the Garden of Eden...
[[if I am told I don’t exist, I can’t deny that part of me that has heard “don’t worry, you don’t exist”]]
It could be that i had heard that somewhere in my life and stored it away deep in brain- and it came out during the NDE- but it is odd that it happened in relation to the experience i was having and the ‘test’ i was being given a little too coincidental i think- as my belief and always was that life after death is eternal in one spot or the other- I think it’s possible Satan may have tried to simply shake my faith by the whole experience- as He is the father of lies— or at least used what happened to me to shake it- I don’t know- I just know it was wrong- unbiblical- and likely just hallucinations due to high fever- i was however a very powerful- Vivid experience
How come nobody ever says they were Joe Schmo?
How DARE you ask logical questions!!
This is a common saying; but it is NOT what Paul wrote.
We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the LORD.
...?
And yet Daniel wrote...
Well; the book does say that; but it says LATER...
“And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:”
So; today; just whose 'image' are we made in??
What does MORMONism teach about Hell?
AFTERLIFE: The Mormon afterlife is divided up into four levels. From the lowest to the highest they are: hell, and then three levels of heaven: the telestial, the terrestrial, and the place where God dwells, the celestial (also called the kingdom of God). The celestial is also divided, the highest level being "exaltation," or becoming a God.
HEAVEN-The Mormon church teaches there are three levels of heaven (three "degrees of glory"):
HELL: A place of torment from which the worst of sinners are resurrected (if they repent) into the Telestial kingdom; only a limited number remain in hell forever, - the devil and the demons and apostates who consciously reject and work against Mormonism.
Mormonism has taught that those in the Telestial kingdom will have paid for their own sins in spirit prison, a temporary hell which serves as a place of purging before entrance into heaven (cf. D&C 138: 58-59).
Orson F. Whitney preached:
"But those who reject the Gospel altogether and are besotted and crimestained---what of them? It is written that they will be thrust down to hell; even the murderer, the liar, the sorcerer, and the whoremonger. They will, in short, be damned. But they will only be damned to the extent justified by their sins. Even for them there is hope, after they have 'paid the uttermost farthing.' They will be punished, as all men must be, for neglect of duty, for transgression of the laws of God; but after they have been punished sufficiently, they will be brought forth and saved in a glory of which the stars in heaven are typical." ("The Three Great Teachers", May 8, 1898; Brian H. Stuy, ed., Collected Discourses 1886-1898, v. 5)
Chapter 41 of the 2009 Gospel Principles manual quotes D&C 19 and concurs the same:
"Also in the spirit prison are those who rejected the gospel after it was preached to them on earth or in the spirit prison. These spirits suffer in a condition known as hell. They have removed themselves from the mercy of Jesus Christ, who said, 'Behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent; but if they would not repent they must suffer even as I; which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit' (D&C 19:16-18). After suffering in full for their sins, they will be allowed, through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, to inherit the lowest degree of glory, which is the telestial kingdom" (Gospel Principles, 2009, p. 244).
Apostle and popular church educator John Widtsoe wrote:"Now, it may be contended that a judgment, with some degree of salvation for all, encourages the sinner to pursue his dark ways. Not so. However generous the judgment, it is measured by our works. Our punishment will be the heavy regret that we might have received a greater reward, a higher kingdom, had our lives conformed more nearly to truth. Such remorse may yield keener pain than physical torture." (Understandable Religion, p. 89)
While Widtsoe is careful not to call a heavenly kingdom "hell", he is nonetheless certain that there will be a keen regret for lost opportunities:
"Humanity will be grouped according to their works in three main divisions: Celestial (like the sun), Telestial (like the moon), Terrestrial (like the earth). Within each group there will be many gradations and divisions, until from the lowest to the highest in all groups there will be a series of gradually ascending glories. There can be no talk of a hell, except for the few 'sons of Perdition,' but undoubtedly the regret for lost opportunities will be keen among those in the lower degrees of glory." (Program of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, p. 226)
Joseph Fielding Smith, on the other hand, considers the tormenting regret experienced in the bottom two heavenly kingdoms and concludes "in that sense it will be hell":
"This earth will become a celestial kingdom when it is sanctified. Those who enter the terrestrial kingdom will have to go to some other sphere which will be prepared for them. Those who enter the telestial kingdom, likewise will have to go to some earth which is prepared for them, and there will be another place which is hell where the devil and those who are punished to go with him will dwell. Of course, those who enter the telestial kingdom, and those who enter the terrestrial kingdom will have the eternal punishment which will come to them in knowing that they might, if they had kept the commandments of the Lord, have returned to his presence as his sons and his daughters. This will be a torment to them, and in that sense it will be hell." (Answers to Gospel Questions, v. 2, p. 210)
This line of thinking is interesting in light of Joseph Smith's following teaching:
"A man is his own tormenter and his own condemner. Hence the saying, They shall go into the lake that burns with fire and brimstone. The torment of disappointment in the mind of man is as exquisite as a lake burning with fire and brimstone" (TPJS, p. 357)
The entry in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism on "Damnation" essentially explains that the bottom two kingdoms of heaven are kingdoms of damnation:
"Just as there are varying degrees and types of salvation, coupled with eternal progression in some areas (D&C 76:96-98; 131:1-4), so are there varying degrees and types of damnation. In LDS doctrine, to be damned means to be stopped, blocked, or limited in one's progress. Individuals are damned whenever they are prevented from reaching their full potential as children of God. Damnation is falling short of what one might have enjoyed if one had received and been faithful to the whole law of the gospel. In this sense, all who do not achieve the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom are damned, even though they are saved in some degree of glory."
For the unbelievers:
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Well; hopefully her picture will NOT appear in this thread!
I am constantly battling sin. My own and the sin of others around me.
It appears as though my strength comes from my weakness. It is very difficult to go through the emptiness required for surrender, but the end result is bliss.
When this first happened almost 30 years ago I thought I was nuts. But the results are real and my scientific quest of 30 years has provided explanations. Many of the explanations in the Bible I find the same as quantum physics principles applied to consciousness. I am humbled as the more I learn the more I have unanswered questions.
I’m aware of what you say and often question my experiences. Nothing is done by me, but through me. I never cease to be amazed and humbled by the experiences.
A few days ago I felt a severe cramp move through the arch of my right foot and into the foot creating severe pain. I had not injured my foot, but yet I was in excruciating pain and could not walk. I prayed and prayed, but it would not move out. Finally, after several hours I spit on my right hand and smeared it on the top of my foot. Instantly the pain left through the bottom of my foot and has not returned. Events like this happen constantly and puzzle the heck out of me. I know the pain was an external spirit. A proverbial thorn in my foot to keep me humble. But why me as I am just like everyone else and no one special.
I read and study the Bible daily, as well as many other religions and religious texts. The only explanation I have found is that we truly are in the times Peter spoke of in Acts 2 when he was quoting the prophet Joel.
There is much that Jesus shared with His closest disciples that He asked them not to share. Is it time to share? I pray for the answer to that question daily. Why do I know these things? I can’t answer that.
Religion is merely an understanding of the anatomy and physiology of the human soul and how it interacts with its environment which includes the higher consciousness we refer to as God. I have no disagreement with the Bible and know it is accurate.
I see the Holy Spirit when it is in or around people. It is more prevalent than ever. This ability is as much a curse as a blessing as I feel everyone’s physical and emotional suffering in my own body, often even when they have blocked the wound in their soul and don’t feel it themselves.
Your comment...
“Hell will be a fire so intense that it hurts the bones, not just the skin- (Ever had a bruised bone? It’s very very painful- now imagine all your bones hurting like that- That is what the fire will do- pain deep to the bones) The fire that we know today, as terrible as it can be, is child’s play compared to the supernatural fire of eternal damnation-”
A few months ago I was in a meeting with about 20 people sitting around a big conference room table. Suddenly I felt strong anger hitting me and noticed it was from a woman about 15 feet away at the other end of the table.
I began praying until I could feel the fire of the Holy Spirit around me. The Holy Spirit transmuted the anger just as a bug zapper destroys the insect coming into contact with it.
After a few minutes of total peace, I noticed the woman sitting immediately to my right around the corner of the table fanning herself to cool down. She said to me, “I have no idea why I am suddenly hot. I’ve never felt this hot.”
I realized that she was in the edge of the Holy Spirit just where the fire of transformation was located. It was my fault.
I quickly stopped praying for my own protection and prayed for the woman 15 feet away who was angry. Within minutes she started fanning herself to cool down and quickly left the meeting and did not return. She has not been back since.
I know the sin of the woman who left, and when it happened in her childhood. My prayer was for her to be forgiven by God, but she was not ready to change and heal her soul.
This is how the fire of the Holy Spirit works. However it is nothing in comparison to the greater fire of God.
I totally agree with your statement.
2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the LORD.
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