Posted on 09/29/2017 6:14:09 AM PDT by ebb tide
The Catholics didn’t attack the Nazis during WWII, why should they now? They were neutral during that war. On the other hand, they promoted Mussolini, Franco and Peron and declared fascism most consistent with Catholic social teaching. Over time, the Catholics evolved (maybe out of embarrassment). By the time of John XXIII, the Catholics were o.k. with democracy. By the time of John Paul II, they were o.k. with liberal, democratic capitalism (provided there was a “preferential option” for the poor). With Benedict XVI it was, maybe, back to neutrality. I think a better way to put it, there was a re-emphasis of the primary teaching of the church on faith and morality, and a de-emphasis of social teaching. Now, under Francis, it’s progressive socialism and expressing disdain for capitalism and for the United States in particular. At some point, people are going to recognize that the head of the Catholic Church doesn’t speak for God but for himself and, possibly, whatever is the consensus of the moment of the elite of that church.
Liberal Catholic going around stating their critics are Nazis,terrorists etc....Wonder how many times Jesus called His critics Nazis????After all,the bible is filled with Jesus stating how you destroy your enemy,crush your critics
The apostles must have left those parts out of the Bible and Jesus came down,took liberal Catholics to lunch and told them “TAKE UP YOUR CROSS AND FOLLOW ME” ? Bunch of hooey..The apostles lied..We should follow liberal Catholics and hate our enemies..After all,they are soooooooo much better than the rest of us....
Wow, what have you been reading?
James whoever does not “think” anything.
He and his ilk are incapable of rational argument and are left with name calling in an attempt to silence people.
Oddly, she was more reserved—and more Catholic—when she was the anonymous “Anchoress.”
Elizabeth Scalia is of no relation to the late Supreme Court Justice, Antonin Scalia.
http://mahoundsparadise.blogspot.com/2015/06/elizabeth-scalia-for-every-judas-theres.html
let’s start with this one:
In paragraphs 119 and 120, Pope Pius XI describes socialism as an error. If you think the choices are socialism versus capitalism, and that fascism is simply one of several forms of socialism, you are mistaken. The error of socialism isn’t socialism per se, it’s that socialism is atheistic.
Skip to paragraphs 131 to 132, and we see what Pope Pius XI thinks of capitalism. It’s “unbridled greed.”
Now, if that was extent of the Pope’s teaching, I would be o.k. with it. You can be a Socialist but you can’t be an atheist Socialist. And, you can be a Capitalist, but you can’t be a dog-eat-dog capitalist. Or, implicitly, you can be something in between. What is important is that whatever political or economic system you have, it should be guided by the teaching of the Church in faith and morals.
But, no, Pope Pius XI didn’t say that. He advocated a nearly all powerful state (see in particular paragraph 80). Individuals would be allowed to own modest amounts of private private and run small business. But, all large business and all markets would be operated by the state through “tripartite councils.” See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadragesimo_anno#Tripartist_corporatism
So, mid 20th Century, and continuing a series of teachings that began in the 19th Century, the Catholics saw themselves as a third way between liberalism (or the democratic capitalist system associated with Protestant Europe) and atheistic communism. Only, with this encyclical by Pope Pius XI, this third way crystalized as fascism.
I actually had some respect for Elizabeth, no longer since she has gone over to the dark side.
Facts are your friends and they guard against ill-informed statements.
Who really cares what some renegade priest thinks?
Apparently, Pope Francis does.
Father James Martin appointed by Pope Francis to Vatican department for communications
And guess how Martin learned of his appointment:
"I learned of the news early this morning, when Josh McElwee of The National Catholic Reporter and Cindy Wooden of Catholic News Service contacted me via Twitter to congratulate me. And given the importance of social media in the church today, that's a good way to find out good news.”
When I read “The Catholics didn’t attack the Nazis during WWII, why should they now? They were neutral during that war.”
I immediately thought of Pius XII. Thank you for posting.
In general-— and for everyone -— sin makes you stupid.
From the link in Post #14:
The third plot again involved German Jesuits and also German military colonel Claus von Stauffenberg. Although the colonel successfully planted a bomb near the Nazi dictator, it failed to kill Hitler. The priests had to flee after the failed attempt. Those unable to escape were executed.
“Secret history” is an admission of official neutrality
from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Nazi_Germany_during_World_War_II
Despite efforts to protect its rights within Germany under a 1933 Reichskonkordat treaty, the Church in Germany had faced persecution in the years since Adolf Hitler had seized power, and Pope Pius XI accused the Nazi government of sowing ‘fundamental hostility to Christ and his Church’. Pius XII became Pope on the eve of war and lobbied world leaders to prevent the outbreak of conflict. His first encyclical, Summi Pontificatus, called the invasion of Poland an “hour of darkness”. He affirmed the policy of Vatican neutrality, but maintained links to the German Resistance.
To the credit of the Catholic Church, the Italians under Mussolini were not the racist murderers that the Germans were, under Hitler. And, the few who joined in the plot against Hitler were mostly Catholics. Let us never confuse fascism with Naziism. One is merely wrong and the other is evil.
While I appreciate the difference between being merely wrong and being evil, I do not at all appreciate being lectured by Pope Francis on matters of science and economics.
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