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Statement from the Jesuits Regarding Fr. James Martin’s New Book, “Building a Bridge”
Jesuits ^ | September 16, 2017 | John Cecero, SJ /Timothy Kesicki, SJ

Posted on 09/17/2017 2:28:31 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: ebb tide; dp0622

I forgot to also mention Fr. Thomas Reese, S.J.


21 posted on 09/17/2017 6:25:12 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: utahagen

I’m not. I blaming the homos that infiltrated the church just like they have so many other boys organizations including grade schools, other churches, and the Boy Scouts.


22 posted on 09/17/2017 6:44:14 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Jim Noble

No doubt it has been going on since Sodom was still standing.


23 posted on 09/17/2017 6:48:36 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: HLPhat

If that’s from Adams, then Adams was more of a moron than I ever realized. The Jesuits were some of the greatest scholars and scientists as well as great Christians in Adams’ day. That’s just a fact.


24 posted on 09/17/2017 7:09:39 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Sadly, you are correct. Regarding the USCCB, it’s also about leftists. It’s about having the government take over everything.


25 posted on 09/17/2017 7:12:26 PM PDT by utahagen (but but)
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To: vladimir998

https://books.google.com/books?id=qpmGDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA104&lpg=PA104&dq=pascal+jesuits+quote&source=bl&ots=FnFneWdFGy&sig=4zJxROqYP_PpqCQGK2imTf_nljA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj_uba31a3WAhXIiVQKHZnDCOYQ6AEIWDAQ#v=onepage&q=pascal%20jesuits%20quote&f=false

Bettrr add Mr. Pascal to the “moron” list.


26 posted on 09/17/2017 7:21:31 PM PDT by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: HLPhat

Oh, I would. Pascal was an educated idiot in some ways. After all he was a Jansenist. It’s no wonder that he suffered from brain damage.


27 posted on 09/17/2017 7:27:10 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

What was Jefferson’s response to Adams?


28 posted on 09/17/2017 7:39:04 PM PDT by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: HLPhat

“What was Jefferson’s response to Adams?”

I don’t see how that matters. If Jefferson agreed with Adams, it just means both were morons on this issue. If Jefferson disagreed with Adams, it means Adams was still a moron on this issue - which means we’re right back where we started with Adams being a moron on this issue.


29 posted on 09/17/2017 7:46:33 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

Or Jefferson, Pascal, and Adams all recognized the nature of Loyola’s little liars club.

Frankie’s a member isn’t he?

Same ol’ fallible and uninspiring dominionist BS, different municipal toilet.


30 posted on 09/17/2017 8:06:29 PM PDT by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: HLPhat

“Or Jefferson, Pascal, and Adams all recognized the nature of Loyola’s little liars club.”

Except they weren’t liars. The reason why Protestants (and Pascal was a Jansenist don’t forget) hated the Jesuits is because the Jesuits were so effective. They were highly educated and so good at education that even Protestants chose to have their children educated by them. Anti-Catholicism was a staple of early America, and Protestantism. John Henry Newman, a former Protestant, summed it up best, “To Protestantism False Witness is the principle of propagation.” (John Henry Newman, Lecture 4. True Testimony Insufficient for the Protestant View). Protestantism, like Islam, has to lie about orthodox Christianity to withstand it.


31 posted on 09/18/2017 4:10:27 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

>>Except they weren’t liars.

Their history of casuistry and syncretic accommodation indicates otherwise.

In the present context the “bridge” to the nature abominating “community” is simple: repent and stop subverting the body of Christ with the accommodation of abomination.


32 posted on 09/18/2017 7:14:23 AM PDT by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: vladimir998

>>Protestantism, like Islam, has to lie about orthodox Christianity to withstand it.

This Islam?

 

 "Islam did not rise except through Ali's sword and Khadijah's wealth," 

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=s6sYxzbiP-gC&pg=PA276&lpg=PA276&dq=Mecca+Convents&source=bl&ots=MCUIDvA-gA&sig=XlSQr3hdngfxi9PwL9nE4V81lQ4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjg2JuMrpTPAhUQ8GMKHZPOCS4Q6AEIKTAC#v=onepage&q=Mecca%20Convents&f=false


https://books.google.com/books?id=Wl0PAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA227&lpg=PA227&dq=Khadija+convents&source=bl&ots=S4CgWdu0oz&sig=WqLh2T2uHn7D30FqixqizsIb-wg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4pZHysZTPAhXJeSYKHVVoBiMQ6AEIQDAH#v=onepage&q=Khadija%20convents&f=false


Got -- Augsburg Confession Article XXVII: Of Monastic Vows....?

33 posted on 09/18/2017 7:37:03 AM PDT by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: BlessedBeGod; Gay State Conservative; utahagen; montag813; rwilson99; Neoliberalnot; Jim Noble; ...
What does this mean?

 

[John Adams - "The Jesuits", North American Review Vol 6, November 1817]

http://ebooks.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=nora;cc=nora;rgn=full%20text;idno=nora0006-1;didno=nora0006-1;view=image;seq=136;node=nora0006-1%3A10;page=root;size=100



34 posted on 09/18/2017 8:21:18 AM PDT by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: HLPhat

No, this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lutheran_women%27s_convents

Clearly you don’t know quite as much as you should.


35 posted on 09/18/2017 3:42:06 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: HLPhat

“What does this mean?”

What does it matter?


36 posted on 09/18/2017 3:43:59 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

>>Clearly you don’t know quite as much as you should.

About the Roman-Catholic convents and monestaries that were within the purview of Protestant states freed from Roman purview?

"It lasted from the end of the 12th century to the early 16th century as a Roman-Catholic monastery and then..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergen_auf_R%C3%BCgen_Abbey

"It was founded in about 1220 by Friedrich von Isenberg[1] for Premonstratensian canonesses and endowed with the local parish church and other possessions. In the 15th century it became a house of secular canonesses of the nobility (a Damenstift) under an abbess. In the 16th century during the Reformation the parish became Protestant and the abbey followed suit in due course.

It was dissolved in 1810 during the secularisation of the period."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elsey_Abbey

etc etc.

Dissolved... because:

 

Article XXVII: Of Monastic Vows

.

11] They taught that vows were equal to Baptism; they taught that by this kind of life they merited forgiveness of sins and justification before God. 12] Yea, they added that the monastic life not only merited righteousness before God but even greater things, because it kept not only the precepts, but also the so‐called

"evangelical counsels."

13] Thus they made men believe that the profession of monasticism was far better than Baptism, and that themonastic life was more meritorious than that of magistrates, than the life of pastors, and such like, who serve their calling in accordance with God's commands, without any man‐made services. 14] None of these things can be denied; for they appear in their own books.

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&q=the+augsburg+confession+pdf

37 posted on 09/18/2017 6:57:14 PM PDT by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: vladimir998
>>What does it matter?
 
That depends upon how one feels about fallible and uninspired men being allowed to assume dominion over the faith of others.
 
 

 
"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"
--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786
 
YMMV!
 

38 posted on 09/18/2017 7:06:46 PM PDT by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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To: HLPhat

“That depends upon how one feels about fallible and uninspired men being allowed to assume dominion over the faith of others.”

That’s a laughable comment considering that your posted comments from Adams show he was “fallible and uninspired” and trying “to assume dominion over the faith of others.”


39 posted on 09/18/2017 8:06:36 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: vladimir998

“Nevertheless, we are compelled by our system of religious toleration to offer them an asylum.”
—John Adams to Thomas Jefferson; May, 1816

Them who?

Fail again.


40 posted on 09/18/2017 8:13:12 PM PDT by HLPhat ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS" -- Government with any other purpose is not American.)
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