[[Not yet perhaps.]]
Not ever- If He doesn’t come back- oh well- We’ve lost nothing- life goes on as usual- You seem to be of the mindset that we’re staking everything on Him coming back at that date- as though We’ll be somehow devastated and nonfunctional if He doesn’t- That’s just silly-
It -could be- another decade- as a generation is between 70 and 80 years- or it could be another 1000 or more years- ALL we’re saying is that some signs —appear to be lining up— and for folks to keep an eye out incase they actually are the signs that indicate the end is near-
You seem mighty put off by this for some reason?
[[If you are going to read the Bible and say “in other words, blah blah blah”, you might as well just write your own “bible” and be done with it.]]
No thanks God gave us His word- no need to write my own- It’s pretty clear that He told John there will be a sign in the heavens
[[I’m saying God never said He was talking about a sign at all,]]
Really? Hmmm: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken” (Matthew 24:29). (Heavenly Sign of the end of tribulation)
“And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: blood and fire and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord” (Joel 2:30-31). (Another heavenly sign that something is about to happen)
Now a great sign appeared in heaven:
a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet,
and on her head a garland of twelve stars.
Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.
REVELATION 12:1-2 (Another series of signs-)
[[Sure, it was common to say that because it was convenient for those foretelling imminent doom, just like “70 years” is convenient for them now.]]
Sorry- if you look into it- it wasn’t just a common saying- it was a scientific fact- generations always referred to those who survived infant issues- not on infant deaths- those who survived on average survived 70-80 years- just like today-
“You seem to be of the mindset that we’re staking everything on Him coming back at that date- as though We’ll be somehow devastated and nonfunctional if He doesn’t”
Nah, you’ll just be wrong like all the other prognosticators have always been wrong. For some reason that doesn’t seem to deter them from continuing their fruitless endeavors.
“You seem mighty put off by this for some reason?”
Sure, I guess you could say I get “put off” by people misusing the Bible and mixing it with pagan astrology to try and mislead Christians. Go figure.
“It’s pretty clear that He told John there will be a sign in the heavens”
Not in Revelation 12 he didn’t. John was shown a series of visions in heaven, but God never says “there will be a sign in heaven” or anything like that in the chapter that these prognostications hinge on. Notice you have to say “it’s pretty clear”, blah blah blah because you can’t actually quote the Bible saying what you would like it to say.
“Really? Hmmm: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken” (Matthew 24:29). (Heavenly Sign of the end of tribulation)”
Well that is in Matthew 24, not Revelation 12. I never said the Bible never talks about anything happening in the heavens. However, there is no sign actually predicted in Revelation 12, and anyway, since this verse in Matthew clearly states this happens “after the tribulation” it can’t possibly be a sign to watch out for before the tribulation has even begun. So unless you want to argue that the tribulation has already happened and nobody noticed, it seems that verse won’t help salvage your theory.
“(Joel 2:30-31). (Another heavenly sign that something is about to happen)”
The same signs spoken of there correspond to the signs in Matthew 24; it’s the same event in the same chronology, so it can’t apply to what you are referring to, for the same reasons Matthew 24 doesn’t apply.
“REVELATION 12:1-2 (Another series of signs-)”
A series of signs shown to John in a vision, that are never said to be signs that will appear to us, or that we are to watch out for, and we are never given any reference as to them preceding events on earth, which is why you have to try to reference those other verses talking about completely different “signs” in order to try and make your argument.
“it was a scientific fact- generations always referred to those who survived infant issues- not on infant deaths- those who survived on average survived 70-80 years- just like today”
“Generations” is variably interpreted by the prognosticators to be whatever is convenient for them to try and fit their current interpretations to. What is “scientific fact” doesn’t seem to matter much to them if it gets in the way of them pitching their latest flim flam.