Luther’s Appalling Instabilities & Contradictions

http://www.catholicapologetics.info ^ | Fr. Leonel Franca, S.J.

[Salvation]

I totally disagree.

[mountn man]

Flame wars can only be started by protestants on FR.

Otherwise the articles are considered posts for thoughtful enlightenment.

[MeganC]

>>>Show me where the word “Protestant” appears in the Declaration or the Constitution<<<

It’s in the Articles where it doesn’t give the pope or the RCC any authority in our government and it’s in the First Amendment where I can tell the pope to kiss my ass and he can’t do one single thing about it.

That’s where.

[mountn man]

You can disagree...

But you would be wrong.

[redgolum]

Because Catholics are a protected class.

And lets be honest. Things are not going very well in Rome right now, so attacking Luther can take your mind off of things.

Things are still better on FR than the “bad” old days of the religion forum.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

"...Luther is an intellectual giant, or, to use a word from Paul Althaus, an "ocean. "

The danger of drowning in him, of not being able to come to grips with him satisfactorily, arises from his tremendous output, but no less from his own original style, which we are going to take up. It sounds banal, but cannot be left unsaid: Luther belongs in the first rank of men with extraordinary intellectual creativity.

He is in the full sense a genius, a man of massive power in things religious and a giant as well in theological interpretation.

Because of this, he has in many respects shaped the history of the world--even of our world today.”

- Catholic Scholars Dialogue with Luther (Jared Wicks, S.J, Editor. 1970, Loyola University Press) 4.

hat tip, daniel1212

[aMorePerfectUnion]

ALERT:

It Appears Your FR Account Is Infected with the Martin-Luther-Virus

[Salvation]

The Catholic Church Built Western Civilization | Duke Pesta and Stefan Molyneux

[redgolum]

“WELS and CLC would disagree with you about which synod represents “committed Lutherans”. They make LCMS look like Liberals”

They make many Catholics looks like tree worshiping pagans.

Note, I am LCMS not WELS.

One rather enjoyable evening I wandered into a message board where a WELS member and a SSPX member were having a go. I am not sure who won, but they agreed all that didn’t belong to their parish were suspect.

[MeganC]

It amazes me the Catholic penchant to wring their hands and gnash their teeth over the Reformation when they have Muslims trying to build mosques across from St. Peter’s Basilica and when Muslims are slaughtering Catholics all around the world.

But, yeah, Martin Luther liked to drink.

And let’s not mention that his liquor was probably the good stuff that the Benedictine monks made.

[NKP_Vet]

Tradition has been around a lot longer than the written word. Only Catholics and Orthodox have enough sense to admit it. There were believers in God thousands of years before the Catholic Church gave the world the Bible.

[mountn man]

Stick your catholic worship up your...

I'm not interested

[Zionist Conspirator]

You know, before the Catholic Martin Luther founded Protestantism there was a Jewish “Martin Luther” who broke away from Oral Tradition and “works righteousness” and founded his own religion as well. And his teaching was as full of contradictions as anyone’s. But something tells me any criticism of this particular “Luther” is beyond the pale here at Free Republic.

[Responsibility2nd]

I had to re-read your post 2-3 times. I thought you were talking about Francis.

Luther did not tear Christianity apart. It was Catholicism.

[jonno]

I heard somewhere that King David (a man after God’s heart) committed adultery and had the woman’s husband killed. I heard elsewhere that he was often morose and filled with doubt.

I’ve heard also that some of the so-called “prophets of God” were often stubborn & disobedient.

etc. etc...

FWIW - sounds like Luther fits right in...

[aMorePerfectUnion]

The Catholic Church Built Western Civilization | Duke Pesta and Stefan Molyneux

Gosh! Another Roman Rooster is running through the barnyard today - this time a female rooster!!!

God makes the sun rise.
The rooster crows.
Yet the wise rooster only announces what God has done,
knowing his purpose isn’t to supplant God.

God purposed in eternity past:

• To create man and woman and bless their union
• To restore man after the Fall by the sacrifice of the Promised Messiah
• Create a Jewish nation for His own and make unconditional promises to them
• To bring forth Messiah from that Jewish nation
• To bring forth all Scripture through Jews
• To bless every tribe and young and people and nation through Messiah
• To pay the price for the sin of mankind through the death of Messiah
• To inspire, record, and preserve His holy Scripture through 5,000 years
• To give eternal life to all who turn to Him alone for the payment of their sin - and this apart from merit and by His Glorious Grace

The Roman Rooster is a different sort of creature.

The Roman Rooster crows & crows, "Look at my glory! Look my greatness! Bow Before ME!"

• He crows that he is responsible for everything, stealing God’s glory
• He crows about his chicken coup, instead of God himself
• He changes the sufficiency and totality of Christ’s payment for sin into a system of earned merits and purchased indulgences
• He claims he now owns all God’s promises to Abraham and his descendants
• He crows of the glory of Mary, instead of the glory of Messiah and God the Father Who sent Him to redeem mankind
• He claims he is the Greatest Rooster and superior to every other Rooster that God Raised up to His glory
• He claims credit for God’s inspired Words in every way
• He crows to roosters who are departed, instead of to the God who commands us to “come boldly into His presence.”

In short, the Roman Rooster has crowed the opposite of all God has decreed and exalted himself pridefully to steal the glory of God.

And why? It is all written in the scrolls God gave him to read. Yet he claims credit for these while missing their message.

Yet he prefers to crow about traditions of pagan roosters and create idols and wear vestments that glorify himself and his earthly chicken coop as the greatest Coup - The Original Coup.

[mountn man]

There was a thread started a couple of weeks ago, where the poster posted an article similar to this, but instead of anti-luther, it was anti catholic.

The catholics screamed of being continually attacked and the post was taken down by the mod in very short order, under the guise that the poster was trying to start a flame war.

This poster posts threads like this quite regularly.

[Responsibility2nd]

And his teaching was as full of contradictions as anyone’s. But something tells me any criticism of this particular “Luther” is beyond the pale here at Free Republic

Contradictions? Yeah. Christ spoke about those who see "contradictions"....

This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

more...

So. You or anyone else is free to criticize. Just know we Christians understand why someone would criticize.

 

[Luircin]

There is no sensible arguments about a small-time priest, barely out of the seminary, that thought he was an authority on the Catholic Church. Luther was a little-known Catholic priest, with no authority whatsoever to question anything. It was his whacky followers that tore Christianity apart.

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One: He is DOCTOR Luther. That means that he had PLENTY of seminary experience and beyond. Certainly a lot more than you.

Two: Ad hominem attacks, not only on Dr. Luther, but also on me. Is that the best you have? Is that ALL you have?

Three: You just broke the religion forum rules with your post. And FR rules on top of that.