Posted on 05/12/2017 7:10:58 AM PDT by Salvation
The Sacrament of the Eucharist is not an ordinary bread and wine.
Jesus created this sacrament at the Last Supper and as He said: “Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.” 20And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.k” Luke 22
You can reject the words of Jesus, but you blaspheme the words of Jesus and the God inspired New Testament.Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. 54Whoever eats* my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. 57 John 6
You can either grow in Faith and accept the Words and meaning of those words from Jesus or continue your protest faith in your own interpretation.
So do you feel that your anti-Catholic protests change the teachings of Jesus and His Catholic Church?
Then it must give salvation to EVERYONE who has ever taken it, therefore they are saved.
Doesn't matter what they've done.
But your opinion is not true because God tells us here...
Acts 17:24-25 The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything.
Acts 17:29 Being then God's offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man.
God's temple here on earth is people, not things.
1 Corinthians 3:16-17Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.
When understood in context, there is no problem.
BTW if you want to be literal....have you cut off your hand or gouged out your eye(s)?
“BTW if you want to be literal....have you cut off your hand or gouged out your eye(s)? “
“Oh you Protesters! We wrote the book! It only means what we say it means.”
- catholic dudette
I guess Jesus lied here then, right? It's a good thing you came along to set us straight.
John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 6:37-39 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.
John 10:25-30 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”
So tell us, how do you know you're saved and how do you attain and keep your salvation.
Religious opinion is not Scripture. If you take it as such, it's no wonder you're confused.
Peter was married.
Well, it works for Ted Kennedy, doesn't it?
I mean, all you guys have to do is go to confession and take communion and you're good to go.
Honestly, why even trot out that argument against the security of the believer considering the teachings of the Catholic church and the lifestyle most Catholics are seen to live?
Seems that Catholicism does NOTHING to affect a persons spiritual life or character.
Please read your own Bible and find that Jesus founded His church(es) on the unchangeable doctrinal principle:
"Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God" (Mt. 16:16 DRB).
After about 21/2 years of close supervision by Jesus as Master, Simon bar Jona finally comes to the same conclusion that his brother Andrew, and the first chosen disciple and friend, Nathanael of Cana had seen at their initial contact with Jesus, just after He was pointed out by their first rabbi, John Baptist. And their faith in Him as Messiah is what caused them to leave John Baptist and follow Jesus.
And in fact, Simon did not come up with this insight on his own logic, he had to have the help of God the Father of Jesus to come to this conclusion. In fact, it would not seem odd to me that he might have been quite surprised at himself for suddenly seeing a fact that had been before him daily for a long time. Didn't Jesus instruct them only a short while before that "seeing they will see, and not perceive; hearing they will hear, and nor understand"?
Taking a leaf from Pope's comment regarding voice inflection: "Ah! Thou art (the)* Christ!" (* = definite article is in the Greek).
As a further observation, Jesus gave Simon his nickname "Kephas" the very day that Andrew brought him to Jesus. That is a word in Aramaic, and does mean "stone" according to Beloved John in his Gospel 1:42. It appears only twice in the OT, and never regarding the Hebrew word connected with God/Jesus ad the Rock of Salvation. This "kephas" can have the meaning "stone" as a physical object, or it can be "stone" as regarding the material an object is made of.
When it took Simon 21/2 years to come to the same conclusion that his brother had already proclaimed at the outset, that might mean that "stone" figuratively speaks of Simon's intellectual denseness, rather than a physical prowess or reliability. One should keep this in mind in reviewing any scenario of which Simon, called "stone" by Jesus, and picked up by all his associates perhaps as indicative of his lack of perception, of sensitivity, and of intransigency, which became their somewhat pejorative sobriquet for him also. Reading anything about Simon's deportment shows these short-comings as being the case.
Those who, possessing the same dullness of mind, try to fixate on the idea that the church of Christ was founded on "Peter," are in for a big chore of trying to convince any real student of Scripture that their position has any basis at all. It fits neither literally, nor grammatically, nor culturally as indicating acceptance of him as a leader. Even on the night of the Last Supper, they were having a quarrel over leadership which Jesus had to quell by scolding Simon, the prime instigator of it.
While Simon "Peter" figured into much of the early documentation, the dominance he attempted to exert early on failed as the history of the New Testament times spun out, and he was not much heard of at the last. Even the claim that he ever appeared in Rome is kind of wobbly at best, and not proven.
So, coming back to a catholic church founded on "Peter" alone as the first "Pope" is what is at stake, I'm not convinced. It's the statement that he made upon which Christianity was founded, not on Peter per se.
Yes, Ephesians 2:20 is true, but no sense of catholicity of the kind you insist on is implied or stated there.
Here.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 6:37-39 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.
John 10:25-30 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”
Romans 4:16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring-not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.
1 Corinthians 1:4-8 I give thanks to my God always for you because of the grace of God that was given you in Christ Jesus,that in every way you were enriched in him in all speech and all knowledge—even as the testimony about Christ was confirmed among you—so that you are not lacking in any gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
2 Corinthians 5:4-8 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Philippians 1:6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
Colossians 1:13-14 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Colossians 2:13-14 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
Colossians 3:3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
1 Peter 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Hebrews 6:17-20 So when God desired to show more convincingly to the heirs of the promise the unchangeable character of his purpose, he guaranteed it with an oath, so that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us. We have this as a sure and steadfast anchor of the soul, a hope that enters into the inner place behind the curtain, where Jesus has gone as a forerunner on our behalf, having become a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.
Jude v24"Now unto Him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy"
1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3156607/posts?page=313#313
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
For which the Greek, from the Byzantine, is:
2Corinthians 1:21-22 ο δε βεβαιων ημας συν υμιν εις χριστον και χρισας ημας θεος ο και σφραγισαμενος ημας και δους τον αρραβωνα του πνευματος εν ταις καρδιαις ημων
The first word in bold above is “bebaion,” the idea of confirmation, frequently used in commercial settings to confirm a bargain. Which of course makes sense of the remaining terms used here, which are also elements of a secured contract.
The second word in bold above is “sphragisamenos,” being sealed is to be marked by the signature, signet ring, or other unique proof of identity, that we belong to God, and this sealing is done by God, who is the one taking action in this verse. We do not and cannot seal ourselves. We do not, by our own powers, have access to God’s “signet ring.”
The third bolded word above is “arrabona,” and indicates what we might loosely refer to as earnest money, but in Hebrew culture conveys more the idea of a pledge of covenant, a security given as a guarantee that the deal will go through, though we only receive part payment at the beginning. See ערב for the related Hebrew stem indicating “pledge.”
Now you show me where we are told that raping, murdering, and breaking every commandment is the lifestyle of a believer.
There is also this. What you think in your heart is the same as doing in the actions, in God's eyes. So the person who lusts or hates has already committed adultery or murder in their hearts.
Law keeping isn't merely about the outward actions, but the inward heart.
The pharisees kept the Law impeccably but were still not saved.
And religious people can not murder, rape, steal, lie, etc and still not be saved.
Good article.
Metmom, don’t be surprised that many in Catholicism have been inoculated against truth and verses bounce off them, since they are unaccustomed to “loving God with all your mind.”
Only God can ope the eyes of the unsaved.
Weird thing is, it seems like lots of people, not just Catholics, really are unwilling to accept that God can and will save them without any effort on their part.
It’s a struggle for many to yield and trust Him to do it. They always want to help, as if any of the puny works of righteousness we do can even compare to the work of Christ on the cross, or even come close to beginning to negate the debt of sin that we owe.
God said the wages of sin is death, not works of righteousness or acts of mercy. No good work can compare to dying for our sin.
I think this really explains the Catholic position on Mary.
The promises of Christ are somehow insufficient for the Catholic that they have to make an idol they can look to and pray to and rely upon for their hope.
And yet no Apostles called for Roman gods and idols and practices to be part of their worship.
Who has “called for Roman gods and idols and practices to be part of their worship”?
You need to keep your citation within this context. What was in their cups was the fruit of the vine, symbolizing His Blood that was yet to be shed on the Cross, and it remained the fruit of the vine as they drank it. Mt. 26:29 indicates that He said this after the pronouncement.
The Law was still in effect--not yet fulfilled by Him ("tetelestai!")--so the Law forbad them to literally drink blood or literally eat human flesh.
It is the pretenders that refuse to accept His pronouncenents here as inaugurating a memorial centered on the contemplation and internalizing of the tokens of His Passion, not on "transubstantiation," which would be a form of cannibalism even now forbidden to His disciples.
Furthermore, were the wine in the cups actually to become His Blood, it would still contain enough ethanol poison to instantly kill any human in whose veins it had been flowing. Even the priest consuming any significant remainder of the "transubstantiated" fluid would become at least a little tiddly even though it was diluted by entering into his system.
You ought to think about this and resolve the consequences before pressing this doctrine to the hilt.
Catholicism has substituted saints for specific gods, pagan worship for real worship.
Ye of little Faith in the words of Jesus and complete lack of understanding.
May you begin to understand instead of profaning the word of God.
your comment:
When understood in context, there is no problem.
It appears you do not understand the context or deliberately refuse to understand. The Apostles understood and accepted the words of Jesus because He was God. Others who did not believe left and went their own way. It appears to me that you do not accept the Words of Jesus and are going your own way. You can continue your way but your heretical statements are contrary to established doctrines given to us by Jesus and the apostles.
As a result of this, many [of] his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him. 67Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?” 68Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”d
Apparently the disciples understood we come to Christ through believing in Him. Exactly as Jesus said in the beginning of this discourse.
Context is your friend.
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