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The Day And The Hour Revealed?
Unsealed World News ^ | 4/20/17 | Gary

Posted on 04/20/2017 10:25:23 AM PDT by amessenger4god


I've mentioned before how astonished I am at what seems to be a convergence of opinion among students of Bible prophecy regarding the Revelation 12 Sign and its significance.  I find this fascinating because I've never seen this sort of consensus among watchers before regarding specific signs and dates.  In times past, dates that were set have come and gone because it was usually lone rangers espousing them: Harold Camping, Edgar Whisenant, William Miller, Ellen G. White, and to a certain extant in recent times - John Hagee and Jonathan Cahn.  Dr. David Reagan had a very perceptive thing to say about these failed theories:

Two final observations. First, beware of Lone Ranger interpretations of prophecy that are not widely shared. God does not reveal the meaning of prophecy only to a person or two. 2 Peter 1:20 says, “no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation.” Private and peculiar interpretations like the recent “Pre-Wrath Rapture,” usually make a big initial splash and then fade quickly when submitted to critical review.

To be clear, Reagan was specifically addressing the new theory of an Islamic antichrist and revived Ottoman Empire espoused by Joel Richardson and Walid Shoebat, but his observations extend to other facets of Bible prophecy theories.

I certainly thought something significant could happen around the 2014 and 2015 blood moons, but there was little consensus or clarity in the watching community regarding what that something might be... the rapture?  The beginning of the Tribulation?  Psalm 83?  And which blood moon?  The first?  The second?  The third?  The fourth?

Many of us had a deep sense that God was trying to get our attention and sure enough He did.  Before the blood moons, only a very few in the Church were "looking up" at the heavens - some of this "looking up" was inspired by Rick Larson's 2007 documentary, The Star of Bethlehem.  Yet as the blood moons began occurring and similar lunar eclipse patterns were found around significant dates in Jewish history, Christians began to realize God wasn't joking when He said:

Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs, and for appointed times, and for days and years. - Genesis 1:14

And

There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven. - Luke 21:11

And

There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. - Luke 21:25

Christians watching for Jesus' return were now aware of the prophetic significance of the seven appointed times of the LORD (from Leviticus 23) and also that God was communicating prophetic events to us through the heavenly luminaries.  The blood moons served their purpose.  And don't forget all the crazy things that actually did happen in September of 2015 around the time of the final blood moon: a freak sandstorm in Israel, lightning striking Mecca and killing 111, huge earthquakes, Pope Francis at the U.N. and addressing the U.S. Congress, and the 2030 Agenda coming to fruition.  Prophetic events did indeed happen, which stunned those of us watching, and those events served as a template of sorts for what is still to come: a rapture like lightning, world-rending earthquakes, a false prophet, and a covenant with many.

Scottie Clarke had discovered the September 2017 alignment back in 2011, and we at Unsealed confirmed its significance as a perfect and literal match with the sign described in the twelfth chapter of Revelation back in 2012.  So if indeed this is the sign John saw, God was not just revealing it to one person.  It was not the convoluted theory of any one person or sect.  A number of other watchers began seeing the same thing from a broad range of Evangelical backgrounds (and even a few Catholics).  Now, truth be told, we first thought this sign would find its fulfillment in the middle of the Tribulation per traditional commentaries on interpreting the symbols in Revelation 12, yet as I suspect Daniel 12:4 was alluding to - prophetic knowledge increased - and an abundance of material from early-Dispensationalist scholars in the 19th century came to light that had been neglected for a century showing that not only was Revelation 12 describing the rapture of the Church, but Revelation 12:5 was the chief proof text of the pre-tribulational rapture because of the enormous weight of contextual considerations and also the use of the Greek word for "rapture" as opposed to the Greek words used for Jesus' ascension.

Perhaps because of an averse reaction to the blood moons being perceived as a failed sign, or perhaps because of spiritual darkness or pride, or perhaps even because it doesn't neatly fit with some of the preconceived notions found in the post-tribulational, pre-wrath, or preterist views of Bible prophecy, a massive cacophony of arguments have been presented against its significance.  Not primarily by the secular crowd or the "no one knows" Christian crowd as in times past, but by the watching community itself.  We're living in strange and unprecedented times.

Perhaps this was God's plan to draw greater attention to the sign and its significance.  As watchmen have answered various objections raised against it we've mutually discovered a number of interesting things as a result:

1. The September 23rd alignment truly is unique in the history of mankind, with the exception of a similar alignment in 3915 BC.  Scottie Clarke, Mark Chiswell, and others have independently confirmed this.  Chiswell used an algorithm and found no matches going 6,000 years back and 1,000 years into the future.  Clarke literally took 7,000 screenshots (one for each Fall when the Sun is in the constellation Virgo) and found nothing.  I've been personally sent numerous supposed examples of matches in years past and not one of them held up to scrutiny: twelve stars, but no male child, or Jupiter in the womb, but no crown of twelve stars, or Jupiter far outside the womb and only in the womb for a month or two, or that the moon was far from Virgo's feet or not under her feet at all.  As I've weeded through all these supposed examples, it has only increased my confidence in the incredible precision of the alignment on September 23rd.  You can read about some of these other supposed alignments here under the Claims And Critiques section or just open up any astronomy software and look at the next closest matches yourself:

1827 AD - 1.5 month gestation, 10 stars in crown, the moon is in Libra (too far away), and Jupiter is still in the womb 

1483 AD - 1.5 month gestation, 10-12 stars in obscure crown, the moon is far away and separated by Saturn, and Jupiter is still in the womb

1293 AD - 1.25 month gestation, 12 star crown + Uranus, shows conception, but not the birth of Jupiter

1056 AD - 1.25 month gestation, 12 star crown, but Venus obscures Regulus, and the moon is very far away

70 AD - No male child, and Venus and Jupiter are nearly indistinguishable in the crown

3 BC - No crown of 12 stars, no male child, and the moon is very far from Virgo's feet


2. The sign finally makes sense of the prophetic image of the woman in labor found all throughout Scripture and connects the dots in Genesis 3:15-16, Jeremiah 4:31, Jeremiah 30:4-11, Isaiah 26:17-21, Isaiah 66:7-11, Micah 5:3, Matthew 24:8, Mark 13:8, John 16:19-22, Galatians 4:24-31, 1 Thessalonians 5:3, and Revelation 12.  It has been right under our noses for two millennia.  The woman consistently represents Jerusalem and/or Israel and her Son of Promise is Christ and the Church.


3. The contextual evidence for the male child being the Church (with Christ as its head) is surprisingly powerful.  In fact I now see the evidence as overwhelming and have yet to be presented with a successful rebuttal.  You can see for yourself here under the sections The Significance and Claims And Critiques.  You can also explore this evidence further here and .

For example the claim that the Church is never identified as a man and only as a bride is oft repeated, but completely false.  The Church is twice called a man in Ephesians (2:15 and 4:13) and a bride is actually a lesser used symbol compared to the analogies of Christ's body and the spiritual temple.  As a matter of fact, the only explicit reference to Christ's actual bride is found twice in Revelation 21.  His bride is New Jerusalem, a city with equal aspects of Israel and the Church (twelve gates named after the twelve sons of Jacob and twelve foundations named after the Twelve Apostles).

Old Testament passages make pretty clear that Israel and Judah were also God's bride (Jeremiah 3, 31:31-33, Isaiah 54:5, 62:5, Hosea 2:14-20) and though they were spiritually divorced for a time, they will again be married forever.  I don't personally see Scriptural support for the Church as the exclusive bride and Israel as only "friends of the Groom" or "wedding guests".  As far as I know, only the Parable of the Wise and Foolish Virgins in Matthew 25 can be offered as support and that is, after all, a parable.  Some believe that parable has modern applicability to the Church, as well.

Sometimes these biblical symbols overlap and even have layers of meaning, but if you were to ask me, I would say the simplest and clearest way to describe these terms would be that the Bride of Christ is the city of New Jerusalem containing both the Gentile Church, the Old Testament saints who had faith in the coming Messiah, and those in post-rapture Israel who will ultimately place their faith in Messiah.  The Messiah is their Husband as well as ours.  We are the wild branches grafted in after all.  In other words, the Bride is the eternal collective of those saved by grace through faith in the Messiah.  Yet we are individually called the children of God.  Therefore as far as analogies go, the collective is the Body or Bride of Christ and the individuals are the children of God.

4. The sign occurs in a year filled with an incredible abundance of biblically-significant date markers: 120 years since the First Zionist Congress, 100 years since the Balfour Declaration, 70 years since the U.N. mandate to establish a Jewish state, 70 prophetic years of 360-days each since the rebirth of Israel, 50 years since the Israeli conquest of Jerusalem, and 40 years since the modern peace process began.  It's also a year filled to the brim with "sevens" - the very number of most prophetic significance in the books of Daniel and Revelation.

As I've said before, it amazes me that so many of our brothers and sisters are seeing the same thing even down to the minute details.  I've never seen this kind of convergence among watchers before.  Some believe the rapture will occur on September 23rd.  Others on the 22nd or 21st or anytime between now and then.  Others say it could happen at any of a few remaining conjunctions following the sign in October or November.  I personally choose not to set a date, but I believe we are getting closer and I believe this sign is the great sign in the sun, moon, and stars spoken of in Revelation 12 and Luke 21:11 and 21:25.

Look up, for your redemption draws near!  I leave you with this video from Jaco Prinsloo called "The Day and the Hour Revealed"


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1 posted on 04/20/2017 10:25:23 AM PDT by amessenger4god
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To: amessenger4god
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

I guess that means we have met The Father, as he is the author.

2 posted on 04/20/2017 10:37:03 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: amessenger4god

Well crap....I’m not going anywhere.....

Guess I better pay the mortgage and credit cards...


3 posted on 04/20/2017 10:38:26 AM PDT by nevergore
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To: amessenger4god

Whaddya suppose God thinks about people who try to second-guess Him?


4 posted on 04/20/2017 10:40:31 AM PDT by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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To: GingisK
Note that there is a TWO DAY Rapture time frame. No one is picking a day and/or picking an hour. The key is in a proper dividing of Daniel 12:11-12.

Daniel 12
8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, “My lord, what shall be the end of these things?”
9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 “Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.
11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12 “Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.
13 “But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.”

Nelson, Thomas. Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 875). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.

The words in italics were added by the translators, verse 11 reads: “And from the time the daily is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, one thousand two hundred and ninety days." So 1260+30 days after "the daily" is taken away, the anti-Christ will set up the abomination of desolation, and we know that that is 1260 from the start of Daniel's 70th week and 1260 days from the end.

So what is "the daily" that will be "taken away"? Well, it is certainly not the daily sacrifices that the Jews will present in the Third Temple, because that is what the anti-Christ will do at the midpoint. So who offers themselves as "living sacrifices" (Romans 12:1) and asks for "daily bread" (Matthew 6:11) but those who believe in Jesus Christ as their Savior and LORD?

Luke 21:36 “Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
Nelson, Thomas. Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 1023). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.

So, if I am still here in October, 2017, it will be because I was not "found worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass." How about you?

Here is the schedule of coming events. Get ready!

If this doesn't happen, then these dates have all been one big coincidence:

  1. Only 2 remaining unfulfilled feasts, Trumpets & Atonement are fulfilled in exact correlation to the number of days given Daniel by the angel Gabriel.
  2. Our timeline BEGINS EXACTLY on the beginning of the new Jewish year 5778.
  3. 5778/Rosh Hoshana/Feast of Trumpets/Revelation 12 Sign Alignment/Jesus Birth Month.
  4. 30 DAY GAP/New Moon again. /Tribulation Begins.
  5. Midpoint Passover/AOD/IS THE HISTORIC Crucifixion Date of Jesus Christ.
  6. 3.5 years from 1st blood moon 4/15/14 to beginning of trib on the timeline.
  7. 7 years (-14 days) 1st blood moon to trib midpoint on the timeline.
  8. 10 years from the second blood moon to the Blessed Day Kingdom Age on the timeline.
  9. 10 years from first blood moon 4/15/14 to 9/13/24 (Atonement/ 2nd coming) on the timeline.
  10. 11/29/47 UN Partitions Palestine to 11/27/2024 on our timeline = 77 years exact.
  11. 7 years EXACTLY TO THE DAY from when Jupiter exits the womb of Virgo, to the Second Coming of Christ on our Alpha to Omega Timeline.
  12. From the Blood Moon on Feast of Trumpets Sept 13,2015 to Sept 13, 2024 (Second Coming date on our Alpha to Omega Timeline) 9 Years Exact.
  13. Exactly 1335 days from Sept 21, 2017 to Pentecost 2021.
  14. Balfour Declaration Nov 2 1917 to 10/20/17 (trib begins) on our timeline is 12 days short of 100 yrs exact.
  15. 8/21 2017 solar eclipse to the beginning of the tribulation 9/ 20/17 on our timeline: 60 days.
  16. Beginning of timeline September 21, 2017 to 2nd Day of Tabernacles 9/21/2024: 7 years exact.
  17. Eclipse August 21, 2017 forward 33 days to the Rev 12 Sign.
  18. 40 days from the Aug 21, 2017 eclipse to Atonement.
  19. Beginning of year 5778 9/21 2017 to the exact time of the Rev 12 Sign alignment = 40 hours.
  20. Jesus returns to establish His Kingdom ON THE VERY DAY of the anniversary of which the UN broke ground to establish THEIRS. September 14, 1948.

5 posted on 04/20/2017 10:42:16 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: bigbob

This is like an ant parsing string theory.


6 posted on 04/20/2017 10:43:19 AM PDT by linear (The truth brooks no arbiters.)
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To: GingisK

Look up, for your redemption draws near!  


The last sentence usually has the major point and is kinda right in this case.

What was the message the prophets, John the Baptist, Jesus, the Apostles preached? And we are suppose to preach?

Repent and turn to God.


7 posted on 04/20/2017 10:44:59 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: SubMareener

Two day pick out of a couple of millenniums is an exact pick.


8 posted on 04/20/2017 10:45:42 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: amessenger4god

[[In times past, dates that were set have come and gone because .................]]

Because the signs had not occurred yet- they glommed onto some specific single signs, and set dates based on a few obscure signs-

The difference today is that we have a pretty specific sign (POSSIBLY) that were are coming up on the ‘generation’ that the bible speaks about once Israel became a nation- a generation is usually 70—80 years- it has been 70 years since Israel became a nation (which by the way happened very very quickly, something that usually doesn’t happen that quickly)

IF the ‘generation’ mentioned in prophecy means 80 years- then the next date will be 10 years from now- 2027

There are other signs that must happen before the rapture I believe- wars and rumors of wars, possibly the rebuilding of temple- peace treaty with Israel- being the big one I believe- But these things will seemingly ‘materialize out of thin air’ as the world looks on in astonishment with the suddenness with which Israel will accept such a treaty after having resisted it for so long

I don’t know what the answer is- I do personally think there MIGHT BE something to recent claims that it could happen soon- but I don’t hold hard and fast to it- It “SEEMS AS THOUGH” some specific things are shaping up around the world and leading towards a rapid conclusion (”The iron will mix with the clay” meaning that a foreign people will invade and mix with nations, BUT they will not assimilate into the culture- and will destroy those nations from within- which is exactly what is happening with muslims around the world invading other nations at a rapid and astonishing pace- and these nations unbelievably accepting it and protecting the m uslims instead of their own people- there can be no question that the world is quickly- rapidly, exchanging a LIE for the TRUTH- just as the bible prophesied about the end times)

Did you also know Saddam was rebuilding Babylon? And UNESCO is still pouring money into it’s rebuilding, and nations will very rapidly pour massive amounts into rebuilding it soon? Saddam actually believed he was a descendant of king Nebuchadnezzar and made bricks for the city of Babylon with that claim engraved in them-

All i know is “The times they be A-Changin”... Rapidly


9 posted on 04/20/2017 11:06:26 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: amessenger4god; GingisK; SubMareener; metmom; Roman_War_Criminal; SaveFerris
A Jewish idiom (expression) for the fall Feast of Trumpets had been (for thousands of years) that no one know the day not the hour of its arrival. This is because it cannot begin until the new moon is sighted in Jerusalem. The feast might actually begin the second day if the moon is not sighted the first day. Many Biblical scholars believe that Jesus' declarative language in Matthew 24:36 was a definitive statement that He was referring to the Feast of Trumpets. It's a theory, one that I happen to agree with.

Further, 1 Thessalonians 5: 1-9 clearly states that believers will have spiritual discernment regarding His coming for them in rescue (the Hapazo or Rapture). The Rapture and the Second Coming at the end of the Tribulation are two different events.

I don't know if the 23 September 2017 sign is also the date of the Rapture (in the Latin Biblical translation Rapture is Rapio). However, I do hope it is. I also have hoped for the Rapture since I was first saved and understood it.

I do know this: the facts surrounding the math of this sign posted by the author and by Submareener are completely accurate. We should be ready at all times, and looking for His coming.

10 posted on 04/20/2017 11:13:23 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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...it will be because I was not "found worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass...

Your worthiness has nothing at all to do with your salvation. Only Faith in Christ as your Savior brings you salvation.

For by grace alone are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast

You have missed some major points, so I find you unqualified to make Biblical based predictions.

11 posted on 04/20/2017 11:13:59 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: amessenger4god

The Day and the Hour have been revealed many times by various religious entities and leaders.

They’ve all been wrong.

Setting a date certain has a perfect track record of futility.

And there are few things perfect in this world.


12 posted on 04/20/2017 11:15:24 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Ride To The Sound Of The Guns)
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To: GingisK

A thousand years is like a day to the Lord and He told Hosea that the Jews would be restored to their land “two days” after the final dispersion.


13 posted on 04/20/2017 11:16:36 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: amessenger4god

By the way, who appointed you “messenger of god”?

Seems a rather pompous title to claim.


14 posted on 04/20/2017 11:18:56 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Ride To The Sound Of The Guns)
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To: amessenger4god

Silly pretribbers can’t even get the basic chronology of Revelation right, and now they’re grasping as astrology for signs.

“1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.

2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.

3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.” Matt. 16:1-4


15 posted on 04/20/2017 11:19:51 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: GingisK

” ‘But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.’
I guess that means we have met The Father, as he is the author.”

Did you read the article? Did I say “such and such” is going to happen on a specific day?

The answer to both is apparently ‘no’.

Please watch the video at the very end of this article, which directly addresses your criticism.


16 posted on 04/20/2017 11:25:28 AM PDT by amessenger4god
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“a generation is usually 70—80 years”

The date-setters said “a generation is 40 years” until the 40 years from 1948 passed... then they said “well the generation must start in 1967 after the Six Day war when Jerusalem was fully under Israel’s control”, but then that date passed too. Then it was “well a generation is really 70 years”, and that’s what they will say until 70 years from 1948 passes.

Next up, they’ll say “well we have to start the 70 years from 1967” to give them a couple more decades to speculate.


17 posted on 04/20/2017 11:26:14 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: SubMareener

That is right. What do you expect when he says, “Wait a Minute”?


18 posted on 04/20/2017 11:33:06 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: amessenger4god

I believe in Christ as my Lord and Savior. Anything else is “fluff”. Time should be spent bringing others to Christ rather than wasting it on things that do not matter. Trust me, worrying about the “date and time of the end of the world” or the details of the end times is entirely useless. Christ himself command us to spend our time bringing people to Him. Fretting about irrelevant end time details does not follow Christ’s commands.


19 posted on 04/20/2017 11:38:27 AM PDT by GingisK
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those saying 40 years were basing their estimates on the then current lifespan- generations lasted longer previously- usually around 70 years or 80 (of course way back when, when the gene pool was purer, it was hundreds of years- but by the time Jesus was around to say what he said- I believe the lifespan was reduced to around 80 or so)

I agree- dates have come and gone- but again- we’re talking now about some pretty significant numbers (70 being a key biblical number) and we’re also talking about a rapidly rising islamic force taking over nations and infact being welcomed by nations to their own detriment- unbelievably-

Not setting a date myself- but it will be an interestingness year to say the least- if nothing happens, oh well- whatever- but some stars do appear to be lining up at the very least- so to speak- We’ll see what happens- doesn’t hurt to keep an eye on things-


20 posted on 04/20/2017 11:38:42 AM PDT by Bob434
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