Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


1 posted on 03/24/2017 3:51:17 AM PDT by NYer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; Salvation; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 03/24/2017 3:51:42 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer

That ain’t a surprise


3 posted on 03/24/2017 3:53:25 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer

This non-Roman Catholic says “Bring back Benedict.”


4 posted on 03/24/2017 3:58:12 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer

they’re polar opposites


5 posted on 03/24/2017 3:58:30 AM PDT by brucedickinson
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer

Francis sounds like another obama


6 posted on 03/24/2017 4:01:27 AM PDT by sneakers (It's DEMOCRAT - and not DemocratIC. There's nothing Democratic about the DEMOCRAT party)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer

So why did Benedict resign? What dark forces were at work?


7 posted on 03/24/2017 4:09:47 AM PDT by Truth29
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer

You don't say....

14 posted on 03/24/2017 4:32:59 AM PDT by Eepsy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer

It is rumored that Obama forced Benedict to step down so that a commie pope could be put into the Vatican.
Now that Obama is gone, Benedict needs to come forward, give Francis the boot and assume the Papacy he was elected to.


15 posted on 03/24/2017 4:39:48 AM PDT by BuffaloJack ("If you're going through Hell, keep going." Winston Churchill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer

No surprise.


16 posted on 03/24/2017 4:42:34 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer
The true bombshell is that Benedict is literally still the Pope. And that Francis isn't.

Pope Benedict has retained the title of Pope, and has retained his papal name. He is still the one and only Pope.

This is why Bergoglio has none of the protections of the Holy Spirit, and is why Bergoglio veers from one horrific error to another.

It's because Bergoglio is not the Pope.

Canon 188 states:

A (Papal) resignation made out of grave fear that is inflicted unjustly or out of malice, substantial error, or simony is invalid by the law itself.

The criterion of Canon 188 that most clearly invalidates Ratzinger’s attempted resignation is the criterion of 'substantial error'.

The substantial error consists in the concept of an Emeritus or 'Shadow Pope' - one who shares in the title of Pope. The title 'Pope Emeritus' or 'Pontiff Emeritus' is a wholly novel title - it has not been used by or for any other abdicator.

But the Papacy was instituted by Christ. It is one and indivisible, and no mortal man has power to amend it; nor to smudge or elide it with taxonomy.

The office of Pope is not only one and indivisable, but has a divine character hedged about with the magisterium of the Body of Christ, and is not under the entire control of its current holder.

For instance - the very fact that Canon 188 exists indicates that a Pope may still be Pope even if he publically declares otherwise.

When he abdicated, Benedict declared the seat vacant. However: he has retained the title of Pope. That is the modern usage of Emeritus - 'one who retains the title'.

If Benedict believes himself to - in any sense - be Pope then he is still Pope. Because if he believes that he can retain any part of the Papacy - such as the title - then he is in substantial error about the nature of the Papacy, and his abdication would be illegitimate.

There are other signs - apart from being called 'Pope Emeritus' - that Benedict is in substantial error about the nature of the papacy:

* He is still called Benedict.

* He is still called "Your Holiness"

* He still lives in the Vatican.

* He still wears a white cassock.

If the Papacy was some mundane position like professor or judge, then these would be laughable superficialities.

But because these facts indicate that Benedict believes himself to share the Papal ministry in some way, they indicate substantial error. And therefore that his abdication is void, and that he is still Pope.


Here's a quote from Pope Benedict’s personal secretary, Archbishop Georg Ganswein. I include it because the Archbishop is well placed to know the mind of Pope Benedict.

From the election of his successor, Pope Francis—on 13 March 2013—there are not then two Popes, but de facto an enlarged ministry with an active and a contemplative member. For this reason, Benedict has not renounced either his name or his white cassock. For this reason, the correct title with which we must refer to him is still “Holiness.” Furthermore, he has not retired to an isolated monastery, but [has retired] within the Vatican, as if he had simply stepped aside to make space for his Successor, and for a new stage in the history of the Papacy, which he, with that step, has enriched with the centrality of [prayer] and of compassion placed in the Vatican Gardens.

The Archbishop has done us all a great favor in documenting this confusion.

If more clarity were needed, here is a forthright quote from Pope John Paul II.

"A Pope Emeritus is impossible"


I hope that this proves helpful. To non-catholics these arguments might seem legalistic and pointless. But Christ's Church discerns marriages as existing or not existing; or the presence/non-presence of the Blessed Sacrament by similar determinations.

Please of your charity pray for Pope Benedict XVI: that he might realise his error and rectify the situation in whatever way seems good to God.

Hat tip to Anne Barnhardt, who saw this so much earlier than anyone else.

http://www.barnhardt.biz/2017/01/16/cutting-the-crap-31-questions-and-blunt-answers-about-the-catholic-church-and-antipope-bergoglio/

17 posted on 03/24/2017 4:45:02 AM PDT by agere_contra (Please pray for Pope Benedict XVI)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer

I don’t have any special knowledge of what caused Ratzinger to resign as pope but I suspect that if the truth were to get out you would have a chissum with in the church bigger then when Martin Luther voiced his opposition to papal writts


20 posted on 03/24/2017 5:30:13 AM PDT by PCPOET7 (in)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer

Fishy.
Fishy.
Fishy.

This here so-called “Pope” mess STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN.
(No—NOT hyperbole, either.)


22 posted on 03/24/2017 5:49:26 AM PDT by Flintlock (The ballot box STOLEN, our soapbox taken away--the BULLET BOX is left to us.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer

One of these guys is not the pope...


23 posted on 03/24/2017 5:50:26 AM PDT by Antoninus ("The Western world has lost its civil courage, both as a whole and separately." -Solzhenitsyn)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer

[[Benedict and Francis “in complete disagreement”, “never talk to one another”]]

How humble of them


24 posted on 03/24/2017 6:17:13 AM PDT by Bob434
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer

What a shock! Not. Benedict was an actual theologian. Francis is merely a progressive politician.


29 posted on 03/24/2017 8:19:11 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("We will be one people, under one God, saluting one American flag." --Donald Trump)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer
That's strange.

Ganswein says Benedict and Francis are as close as brothers and full of mutual admiration.

30 posted on 03/24/2017 8:33:08 AM PDT by marshmallow
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer

I just did a little research and yes, the following are true:

The Vatican’s international monetary transactions were halted on January 1, 2013. Their bank was essentially shut down along with all Vatican ATMs.

The Vatican’s international monetary transactions were resumed on February 12, 2013, the day after Benedict XVI announced his resignation.


31 posted on 03/24/2017 4:07:24 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Everywhere is freaks and hairies Dykes and fairies Tell me where is sanity?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer

Nutjob Pope Francis disassembling the Catholic Church.


32 posted on 03/24/2017 4:10:36 PM PDT by anton
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: NYer

I have always suspected that they were diametrically opposed to one another.


35 posted on 03/24/2017 8:22:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson