Posted on 03/20/2017 8:23:03 AM PDT by Salvation
Apolytikion of James (Iakovos), the Brother of the Lord
Fourth Tone
As the Lord's disciple, O righteous One, you received the Gospel,
as Martyr, you have unwavering courage,
as the Lord's brother, you have forthrightness,
as Hierarch, intercession.
Intercede with Christ our God,
that our souls may be saved.
Praise God for that. God bless them.
Perpetual virginity
Is the Perpetual Virginity of Mary a Biblical View?
Aeiparthenos (An Anglo-Catholic Priest on Mary's Perpetual Virginity)
The Early Church Fathers on Mary’s Perpetual Virginity - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Heõs Hou polemic is over: Radio Debate Matatics VS White & Svendsen on Perpetual Virginity Mary
Luther, Calvin, and Other Early Protestants on the Perpetual Virginity of Mary
Luther, Calvin, and Other Early Protestants on the Perpetual Virginity of Mary
Throughout his life, St. Joseph behaved exactly as “the Lord had directed him” (Mt 1:24).
Oh noes! Link after link. Can you give me the Cliffs Notes version if this is something YOU believe? I don’t understand why you want Mary to be an eternal virgin. It makes no sense. She was married. We are enjoined to “be fruitful and multiply” (except Mary?). She was lawfully married. Her children brought her great joy I am sure. She was a good mother and wife. She is no less “full of grace” because she bore other children. No, somebody back in time (Catholic) wanted a goddess. Not just an ordinary woman but a goddess. Mary was an ordinary woman whom God granted an extraordinary burden/privilege. That’s what God works with mostly throughout time.
yeah, did I say otherwise? I think Joseph was a stand-up guy. He stood by his woman. He'll be a pleasure to talk to in Heaven. So will Mary.
**I go by the plain teaching of the Bible. Jesus had (half)brothers and sisters.**
Yes, and isn’t it odd, that after Jesus begins his ministry, he returns back to Nazareth, and the people can’t figure out why he’s so different from his (half) siblings. They had know them for at least eighteen years. And that is if they came back from Egypt to their hometown, shortly before their recorded trip to Jerusalem, and Mary and Joseph’s close call with being reported to DHFS. (S)
Some things are just hard to give up, whether it’s silver shrines to Diana, or.....
Talking to their children, the half brothers and sisters of Jesus, will be a pleasure as well.
Ping to 49
Pure unadulterated speculation.
Psalm69:8 I have become a stranger to my brothers, an alien to my mother's sons.
Matthew 1:24-25 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.
Matthew 12:46-47 While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. And someone said to Him, “Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You.”
Matthew 13:55 “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?”
Mark 6:2-3 And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, “Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands?”... “Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?”
John 2:12 After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother, and His brothers, and His disciples; and there they stayed a few days.”
Acts 1:14 These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.
1 Corinthians 9:4-5 Do we not have a right to eat and drink? Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
Galatians 1:19 But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord’s brother.
So what’s the big problem if Mary had other children?
http://biblehub.com/greek/80.htm
adelphos: a brother
Original Word: ἀδελφός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: adelphos
Phonetic Spelling: (ad-el-fos')
Short Definition: a brother
Definition: a brother, member of the same religious community, especially a fellow-Christian.
Here is a link to the occurrences of the Greek word *adelphos*.
http://biblehub.com/greek/80.htm
The word *sister* (adelphe) in the Greek is the same.
http://biblehub.com/greek/79.htm
The word used is *brother* not *cousin*.
It can't mean a member of the same religious community in the context in which they occur, because then that would mean every man in Israel could be identified as Jesus' brother. So that would not identify Jesus as anyone in particular's brother.
It's not going to mean *brother in Christ* as that concept was not yet in place and the Jews, who knew Jesus as a Jew and knew His brothers as Jews, would not even begin to understand the new birth and what being in Christ meant.
They didn't even understand who JESUS was, much less being a *brother in Christ*.
The only definition left then, is to mean physical brother.
And it would not be *cousin*.
The word for *relative* that is used for Elizabeth is *suggenes*, not *adelphe*.
http://biblehub.com/greek/4773.htm
Strong's Concordance
suggenes: akin, a relative
Original Word: συγγενής, ές
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: suggenes
Phonetic Spelling: (soong-ghen-ace')
Short Definition: akin, a relative
Definition: akin to, related; subst: fellow countryman, kinsman.
It's not *just a different viewpoint* if it's not true.
There's a word for things that are not true.
GMTA
What’s the big deal if Mary and Joseph had a normal marriage and a normal sex life and she did have other children?
The plain, clear reading of Scripture indicates it, not that they were Joseph’s by a previous marriage, not that they lived jn a sexless marriage, something that was unheard of, which makes a mockery of marriage.
So why do Catholics get the vapors over the thought that Mary had sex and bore other children?
So now you're saying that Mary is deity equivalent to the Holy Spirit?
So what?
WHO CARES?
Were they alive at the time to verify it?
Psalm69:8 I have become a stranger to my brothers, an alien to my mother's sons.
Matthew 1:24-25 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.
Matthew 12:46-47 While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. And someone said to Him, “Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You.”
Matthew 13:55 “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?”
Mark 6:2-3 And when the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, “Where did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands?”... “Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James, and Joses, and Judas, and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?”
John 2:12 After this He went down to Capernaum, He and His mother, and His brothers, and His disciples; and there they stayed a few days.”
Acts 1:14 These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.
1 Corinthians 9:4-5 Do we not have a right to eat and drink? Do we not have a right to take along a believing wife, even as the rest of the apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
Galatians 1:19 But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord’s brother.
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