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To: marshmallow; Elsie; metmom; SaveFerris; Lera; Roman_War_Criminal
The feeling seems to be mutual.

"In the Church there is no 'do it yourself', there are no 'free agents'," the Pope added. "At times one hears someone say: 'I believe in God, I believe in Jesus, but I don't care about the Church...'. How many times have we heard this? And this is not good. There are those who believe they can maintain a personal, direct and immediate relationship with Jesus Christ outside the communion and the mediation of the Church. These are dangerous and harmful temptations. Dear friends, let us ask the Lord, through the intercession of the Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church..."

2 posted on 02/01/2017 6:38:26 PM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: SkyPilot
"In the Church there is no 'do it yourself', there are no 'free agents'," the Pope added.

A shame that God didn't give us free moral will. If we don't have free moral will then it's all Gods fault. That does not appear to be the case.

'I believe in God, I believe in Jesus, but I don't care about the Church...'.

Which Church? I don't care about Satans Church or those who follow false gods.

Dear friends, let us ask the Lord, through the intercession of the Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church..."

The very words that Jesus said . . . er uh no. Our only intercessor is Jesus. Him and only Him.

3 posted on 02/01/2017 6:46:02 PM PST by BipolarBob (I thought money was burning a hole in my pocket but it was just my Samsung Note 7.)
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To: SkyPilot

Ya know...you can argue with people until they are blue in the face regarding Mary.

Show me the scripture?
Show me where she is our “intercessor”?
Where in the Bible?
Show me where we are saved by a “building” or “membership” also?

Crickets.....

Only Jesus Saves.

John 8:24
“I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

Acts 16:30-31
He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

1 Timothy 2:5-6
For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

Here’s a wonderful article (for those who seek Truth) on a real personal relationship with Christ, that does save.
It’s got scripture to back it.

https://www.gotquestions.org/personal-relationship-with-God.html

OWG is coming and with it, the OWR that you will either bow down to or be destroyed. Your choice...


5 posted on 02/01/2017 6:57:00 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: SkyPilot
Dear friends, let us ask the Lord, through the intercession of the Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church..."

HERESY!


Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
--Romans 8:26


For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus
--1 Timothy 2:5

32 posted on 02/02/2017 4:39:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SkyPilot
There are those who believe they can maintain a personal, direct and immediate relationship with Jesus Christ outside the communion and the mediation of the Church. These are dangerous and harmful temptations.

 

Nothing new under the sun...

 

"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

33 posted on 02/02/2017 4:42:03 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SkyPilot; marshmallow; Elsie; metmom; SaveFerris; Lera; Roman_War_Criminal

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Here we are throwing eggs and tomatoes back and forth over a “Church,” yet the word of Yehova calls not for any church, but for his assembly. The same assembly with which he forged a covenant 3500 years ago at Sinai, and which covenant he promised to renew with his assembly, the House of Judah, and the House of Israel by writing it on their hearts.

Where is any church?

Everywhere that word is used in the NT writings it is a mistranslation of Kehillah, the assembly that began with Adam, not some human corporation that builds and owns buildings that Yehova declared that he doesn’t occupy.
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57 posted on 02/02/2017 6:30:36 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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