Posted on 11/25/2016 10:38:24 AM PST by Steelfish
Lift the veil of confusion.
Thanks for proving my point about Luther. Have a nice day!
Me: “Here’s Torah.”
You: “That’s a bunch of lies.”
At least I tried to help you understand that a thread having "Judaism" as a "topic" is NOT the same thing as you seem to think it is. If you refuse to get it, that's your own problem. I guarantee if you post a thread as a "Judaism Caucus" and abide by the rules for Caucus threads, NO Christian will break it. Not sure how many there are of y'all here but I wouldn't think posting a thread in an OPEN Religion Forum is as great a threat as you seem to think.
Seeing as it's quite late and you are sounding awfully crabby, I'll say good night. Sleep well!
Do you have any links to articles about what Hebrew University and other scholarly Jewish sources say about the suppression of Jewish documents about Jesus?
I’m not crabby — I’m a Jew who is one with Israel and Hashem! :)
You can’t even respect that Jews post in the Judaism forum. Honestly, I doubt you’re evangelical because every single evangelical I meet has a huge respect for Jews, understand we live by Torah, and wants Jews to live in peace. Some even join us to study Torah and learn from us without ‘witnessing’ because they understand our rules and don’t want to invoke Hashem’s wrath upon themselves.
The language you’re using to describe Jews who adhere to Torah is abhorrent and you got that from Luther. Now many Lutheran churches are dropping this disgusting theology and it’s a step in the right direction. Apparently you need more time or maybe you’re just hopeless. If it’s the latter, I hope you one day realize the error of your ways.
Start here for a basic overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_the_Talmud
Both Christians and Jews are work together at Hebrew University on this topic, so I recommend searching Hebrew University’s website and see what you’re comfortable with.
Thank you for the link.
Your very welcome.
Not only are you sounding crabby, you continue to ignore repeated attempts to help you understand that having "Judaism" in a TOPIC doesn't make a thread for Jews only. What's wrong with you that you don't get this??? Once again, ask the Religion Moderator and he/she can explain this to you.
The language you’re using to describe Jews who adhere to Torah is abhorrent and you got that from Luther. Now many Lutheran churches are dropping this disgusting theology and it’s a step in the right direction. Apparently you need more time or maybe you’re just hopeless. If it’s the latter, I hope you one day realize the error of your ways.
What "language" is it you think I'm using that is abhorrent to Jews? That as a nation they have rejected the true Messiah who is Jesus? Too bad...that's the truth that ALL Christians believe and one day all Jews will get it and come to Him in faith. This thread ISN'T a Judaism Caucus thread so as an OPEN RF thread, I have every right and obligation to express my views and beliefs just as you can. If you ever want to actually discuss this topic in a respectful way, I'd be glad to join in. Shalom.
Do you understand Jews view this world very differently than you? Yes? Good.
Of course Jews accept Jesus as a Jew just like thousands of other Jews the Romans decided to crucify en masse. He was born from a Jewish mother so he’s a Jew. He’s even in our Talmud.
We’re still working on the whole Mashiach thing since there were quite a few false ones in the past. We still wouldn’t worship Mashiach instead of Hashem though, and I’m glad to hear this Lutheran church got the memo.
And yes, it’s my responsibility as a Jew to point out a church named after a living person who commanded his followers to burn down synagogues with the Jews in them is idolatry to the max. They should do what others do and rebrand. Or maybe they’ll close up shop when the money dries up.
You said you separated Luther from his anti-semetic writings, yet you constantly keep demonstrating the opposite. Probably because you didn’t have a Jewish education or study Torah because you’re completely missing the point of my posts.
Bullshit. Jews are not a monolithic entity that walk and think in lockstep.
There are probably many Jews who view this world very differently than I do, and there are probably many Jews who view the word very similarly to the way I do.
The last time I checked, "Jews" are not some kind of homogeneous entity that necessarily view this world "very differently" than I do. I would suppose that assertion would depend greatly on their nationality, upbringing, life experiences, and knowledge of their own history, and whether they even care about those things, as opposed to the mere fact of their genetic makeup.
Doubtless many American Jews simply consider themselves primarily as Americans, just as I, a person of "Scotch-English" descent do. Do "Scotch-English" Americans necessarily view the world differently than Jewish Americans? Certainly not.
Maybe I'm jumping into the middle of some profound conversation, but how a person views the world is not merely a function of his or her genetics...
You're definitely stepping into a conversation that's about ten levels above super casual, at least from my end.
I'll put it another way and take the risk it won't sink in fully or I'll be misunderstood: Jews don't believe in the Christian definition of salvation. This world -- the one you're breathing in -- is the world for us. We don't view this world as merely a stopping point between the Christian version of Heaven and Hell. When someone dies and one says, "He/she went to a better place..." Well, Jews don't think that. The dead envy the living. To say that what happens after physical death is better than living is abhorrent because life is way more important than death.
Our calendar, how we daven (pray), life cycle events, etc. are reflective of this and must be consistent with Torah.
We can and do disagree on different interpretations and traditions, but nothing is valid if it's not consistent with Torah, and we remind ourselves three times daily that no matter how much we disagree, as Israel, we are one and there is only One.
Now, that's a relatively simple and imperfect explanation because I'm an imperfect human and I constantly strive to explain it better to those prejudiced by man-made religions.
So this raises other questions, and I can only speak for myself. Knowing this world is Hashem's creation and it's the only one we have, I can both agree and disagree with your statement about genetics. For example: Torah was offered to many nations, but only Jews accept it.
This writer says it well, I think:
Like I already said, whenever you want to discuss this topic respectfully, just let me know. Taunting doesn't cut it.
If you identify so much with Luther, then I cannot help you.
Like many others, Luther tried to build his own cult and thought if he converted Jews, it would lead to more success and money.
He failed because the Jews wouldn’t convert. Why should we? We’re one with Hashem. So he took out all his frustrations against the Jews in his writings, urging his supporters to burn the Jews in their synagogues.
And they did just like the Romans, the Ottomans, the Nazi Germans, etc. None of these pagans are in power today. The Jews survive.
It’s a good thing most of “Protestant Christianity” no longer recognizes the divinity of “JC.” You all think by giving money to Israel it will bring along some “rapture” or annihilation of the Jews, when the opposite will happen.
Hashem will not accept idolatry. This is why many Christian cults don’t even bother to distribute the Hebrew Bible anymore — it’s easier to get people to buy into something they can see like a stone idol called “JC” rather than Hashem.
We have enough cults calling themselves Jews right now that it’s better to bring them back to Torah than focus on pagans who worship flesh.
Thank you for reminding me that pagans never change.
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