With Burning Concern: We Accuse Pope Francis: [Catholic Caucus]

Catholic Family News ^ | September 19, 2016 | John Vennari, Michael Matt, Christopher Ferrara

[AllAmericanGirl44]

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[Antoninus]

Then you obviously believe it was a good thing when Athanasius was banished for preaching that the Arians were wrong.

Athanasius was patriarch of Alexandria who argued against bishops and presbyters who were his equals or inferiors. What standing do these folks have to make such attacks on the Holy Father?

And I say this as someone who has often been critical of the Holy Father's words and actions myself. The airing of such criticisms needs to be done with prudence and humility. This document seems to contain neither, sadly.

[Antoninus]

Did St. Athanasius make "things worse"?

Are these folks the patriarchs of the second or third most important sees in Christendom?

Did St. Catherine of Siena make "things worse"?

Are these folks consecrated sisters who have devoted their lives to Christ and who have publicly manifested gifts of miracles, ecstasies and visions?

[ebb tide]

They were all God-fearing orthodox Catholics.

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Have any of the three authors of the article been condemned or excommunicated by any pope?

Was not St. Athanasius condemed by Pope Liberius? Was St Joan of Arc, Catholic martyr, not excommunicated and died in that state?

[Rashputin]

You need to read more. He also openly opposed a Pope who proposed a compromise with the Arians.

Furthermore, you need to read about Vatican I and the clear statement of what the limits to Papal Infallibility are along with the obligation of lay people to oppose and confront priests, bishops, and even the Pope when any of them propose or teach something against the long standing tradition and teaching of the Church.

In fact, it wouldn't hurt you a bit to read what the Code of Canon Law says about the obligation of obedience to the Pope which in the elaboration of what #212 says includes a statement that, in part, says, " . . . however, only obedience determined by legal justice can be demanded"

Given that the current Pope included the most controversial three paragraphs in the most recent Synod statement in spite of those paragraphs having not received the requisite number of votes to be so included, his statements in those paragraphs, and about the content therein since is in no way "legal justice" according to the same Code of Canon Law.

In fact, you need to read and study a LOT more than little bits I've mentioned.

Vatican II, I constantly hear, was about getting the laity more involved but it seems like a lot of people think that involvement only applies when they want someone to agree with those who overturn the long standing teaching of Scripture, Dogma, and Tradition. Resisting the undermining of the Church? Well, the laity should hush up and fall in line rather than resist.

Sorry, that's not what Scripture, Dogma, or Tradition teach.

I salute the uniform and recognize the authority of the position but have every right, and in fact the duty according to Vatican I, to oppose anything he or others in authority say that deforms the magisterium of the Church in some way or is counter to the long standing teaching of the properly interpreted Scripture or the Church.

have a lovely day

[ebb tide]

Bravo!