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How Do We Know It’s the True Church?
Catholic Answers ^ | Fr. Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 08/14/2016 2:49:24 PM PDT by ADSUM

What are the twelve traits of authority, and how do they work?

First of all, it seems clear that their decision would have to be made from a historical perspective. It was not good enough to decide complex moral, social, or doctrinal issues based on popularity polls or yesterday’s newspaper. To decide difficult questions, a valid authority has to be historical.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History
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Evangelical Protestants say the Bible decides, but this begs the question when the two warring parties agree that the Bible is the final authority. They eventually split because they can’t agree about what the Bible actually teaches. I had moved away from the Protestant understanding that Scripture is the only authority, and as an Anglican, believed that authority rested in Scripture, tradition, and reason.
1 posted on 08/14/2016 2:49:24 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM; NYer; Salvation

A good article worth the read and discussion.

http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/how-do-we-know-it%E2%80%99s-the-true-church

Some Churches may exercise some of the twelve traits, but only the Catholic Church is able to field all twelve as a foundation for decision-making. When the Catholic Church pronounces on any difficult question, the response is historical, but up to date. It is based on objective principles but applies to specific needs. The Church’s authority transcends space and time, but it is relevant to a particular place and time. The response will be intellectually profound, but expressed in a way that is simple enough for anyone to apply. Finally, it will express truths that are embedded in the human experience, but spring from divine inspiration.

This authority works infallibly through the active ministry of the whole Church. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says that it is Christ who is infallible, and he grants a measure of his infallibility to his body, the Church. That infallibility is worked out through these twelve traits, but it is expressed most majestically and fully through Christ’s minister of infallibility: one person—the Rock on which the Church is built, Peter and his successors.

Fr. Dwight Longenecker is an American who has spent most of his life living and working in England. Fr. Dwight was brought up in an Evangelical home in Pennsylvania. After graduating from the fundamentalist Bob Jones University with a degree in Speech and English, he went...
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2 posted on 08/14/2016 2:51:26 PM PDT by ADSUM
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The national, cultural, and chronological identities of other ecclesial bodies limit their ability to speak with a universal voice.

The Church, supposedly governed from the Vatican, is hardly a universal one. In creating a new religion based not on God, but on humanist fickleness, all tenets and rubrics were tossed out the window including the language that bound all 'Roman Catholic' Churches together. That, of course, was Latin.

Pointing out the fallacies of the Eastern Orthodox Churches is rather like the people living in glass houses tossing rocks at others.

The fact is that an entirely new religion was created due to and subsequent to Vatican II and those 'popes' following that heresy will have a rough time explaining to their Maker the necessity for allowing change after change after change to be enacted.

3 posted on 08/14/2016 3:00:57 PM PDT by HomerBohn (Liberals and Slinkys: Good for nothing but make you smile as you shove them down the stairs.)
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To: ADSUM

Excellent article. Thank you for posting it.


4 posted on 08/14/2016 3:07:33 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ADSUM

Except for. I do not consider the Catholic Church to have authority on me at all. I consider, generally speaking, Sola Scriptura if i fail to understand Scripture, I might look at how it was generally thought about by past authors.

But I will consider any position just because the Catholic church considers it.


5 posted on 08/14/2016 3:18:21 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: ADSUM

Conservative and active practicing Roman Catholic here. Fr. Dwight Longenecker has nothing to teach me and I have no use for what this Trump-bashing POS has to say.


6 posted on 08/14/2016 3:29:29 PM PDT by AC Beach Patrol
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To: ADSUM

With Popes like Francis, we might lose our grasp on that claim.


7 posted on 08/14/2016 3:43:35 PM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: ADSUM

Catholicism has a real problem, a number of people, including some Catholics, are not even sure this Pope is not a fake Pope.
Is the Pope Catholic? used to be used as a rhetorical, of course.
It’s not rhetorical anymore.
Is the Pope Catholic?


8 posted on 08/14/2016 3:53:15 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam , Know Peace)
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To: ADSUM

Jesus condemned tradition and the Bible clearly teaches us to not rely on our own understanding but to trust in God for all things.


9 posted on 08/14/2016 3:53:38 PM PDT by LukeL
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To: ADSUM

Good Article and info, Thanks!


10 posted on 08/14/2016 3:58:29 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Christendom, A Moral People, and Return to a Nation/s UNDER God!)
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To: ADSUM

Always amazing when a Roman Catholic posts an article claiming to be authoritative and proof, yet doesn’t include a single verse from the Bible to back up anything.

Then they high five each other about how good it is. This too, is telling.

All of the points are 100% made up and are simply an opinion of a former Anglican.


11 posted on 08/14/2016 4:00:14 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: ADSUM

This is not a good article in that it misconstrues Protestantism, he writes from his experience rather than from what is true. It is also disinegenous to believe that there are not doctrinal differences/practices among local Catholic churches.


12 posted on 08/14/2016 4:01:11 PM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: ADSUM

Of course that would mean that Roman Catholics agree on everything, yet we see constant warring factions inside of Rome.


13 posted on 08/14/2016 4:08:22 PM PDT by Gamecock (There is always one more idiot than you counted on.)
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To: Jonty30

This article is not about the authority of any Church over any individual.

God gave us free will to chose to Love Him and our neighbor or not as we chose.

This is about God’s grant of authority to a church to preach the word of God and to lead individuals morally (who chose to belong and follow the Catholic Church) to eternal life with God.

A third quality of a valid authority system is that it needs to be objective. By this I mean it needs to be independent of any one person’s or group’s agenda, ideology, philosophy or self-interest. A valid authority transcends all political, economic, and cultural pressure.

I believe it is important to follow God’s will (as best as I can) and I chose to do this through following the teachings of Jesus Christ and His Church that He established.


14 posted on 08/14/2016 4:10:28 PM PDT by ADSUM
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I don’t think that a “Church” per say is what people believe in....

If you look at a Church as your religion, you have missed what religion is all about...

First of all, God’s Word is in the Bible, not the ‘Church’...yes we hear the words there, but remember, Jesus didn’t have a ‘Church’, his ‘Church’ was on the side of a meadow, in a grove of trees, by a lake, crossing over paths as He talked...

Churches are buildings that are man made...My ‘church’ is where ever I am, walking down the street thinking about how beautiful the landscape is that God built, how when I stand by a lake, the beauty of the mountains, trees, birds, deer, and other animals that God made...

You don’t need a ‘Church’ to believe in God...


15 posted on 08/14/2016 4:11:46 PM PDT by HarleyLady27 ('THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!' Trump/Pence; Trump/Pence; Trump/Pence 100%)
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You don’t need a ‘Church’ to believe in God...

No, but the preaching, the music and the drama of the liturgy can be very inspiring.

16 posted on 08/14/2016 4:23:40 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

True, but the singing of birds, the sounds of the breeze, these are things that God created...


17 posted on 08/14/2016 4:25:52 PM PDT by HarleyLady27 ('THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!' Trump/Pence; Trump/Pence; Trump/Pence 100%)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Can you point out the verse that states that only scripture is the only source of the truths of the church?


18 posted on 08/14/2016 4:32:36 PM PDT by bike800
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To: HarleyLady27

As well. But don’t leave it out. It can inspire deeper Faith.

God made us human. We build things, like an occasional edifice to His glory. That really needs to accelerate in the Judeo-Christian sense.


19 posted on 08/14/2016 4:34:20 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: ADSUM

Founded by Christ.


20 posted on 08/14/2016 4:35:40 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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