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To: Kolokotronis

1) It was an interview with Francis that was posted twice on the Vatican’s official website, both for months at a time until being removed due to outrage.

2)I’m not surprised that an orthodox is in favor of Holy Communion to adulterers in second marriages and will find whatever means he can to defend it. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

3)Since when are saints infallible?

4http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/1943-does-pope-francis-really-believe-the-gospels


17 posted on 07/26/2016 8:35:18 AM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide; Mrs. Don-o
I think you misunderstood what I was looking for. The original statement said that the pope has been overturning 2000 year old doctrines. The idea of the Immaculate Conception is relatively recent concept. For the overwhelming life of The Church, East or West, her sinless state since conception has been an open question. As for adulterers, well priests, bishop and popes were fathering children with their "live ins" in Western Europe into the 16th century and not even remotely in secret, their vows of celibacy notwithstanding. It's pretty clear that the Latin Church condoned, sub silencio, the reception of communion, indeed the confection of communion, by such priests for rather more than 1000 years. Aside from that, until the Roman Empire completely collapsed in the West, divorce was common as a civil matter. The Church simply had nothing to do with it. Marriage itself, for that matter, was a civil matter. Christians were married and divorced without church consequences because the church simply wasn't involved.

I understand that the Immaculate Conception is now dogma and that for centuries the Latin Church has not knowingly countenanced communion for divorced and remarried people...but neither of those positions are 2000 years old. Things change, and change back. My point is that the history of The Church in the West, theologically and ecclesiologically, is complex and saying that this pope is trampling on 2000 year old praxis or belief is a stretch to say the least.

20 posted on 07/26/2016 9:30:07 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen and you, O death, are annihilated!)
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