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Deep Fears About Modernity Lie Behind the Unravelling of the Pan-Orthodox Council
The Catholic Herald (UK) ^ | 6/16/16 | Fr. Alexander Lucie-Smith

Posted on 06/16/2016 4:44:22 AM PDT by marshmallow

For some even the slightest change in relations with Rome will end up with tradition being swept away

The fate of the Pan-Orthodox Council, which is due to start its deliberations in Crete this Sunday, hangs in the balance. At present it seems that the Bulgarians will definitely not be there, neither will the Antiochenes, and it looks as if the Serbs, Georgians and the Russians are pulling out as well. There is a useful summary of what is going on in this article at the Guardian website.

The trouble, for us outsiders, is that it is very difficult to understand why this is happening. The Council has been over five decades in preparation, so the idea that it needs more time to prepare really seems unreasonable. Again, the Bulgarian objections to the seating plan look like a pretext. Again, the objection to the way the documents of the Council were drawn up, being made now, when the way they were drawn up was supposedly approved by all parties, seems suspect at this late stage. But one thing is clear: five out of the 14 Orthodox churches do not want to meet. And one of those five, Russia, is the biggest of the Churches, which means that a meeting, if it does take place, will hardly be able to speak for all Orthodox.

But why don’t they want to meet? Trawling round the many Orthodox websites, what emerges, it seems to me, is a fear that the Council, if it meets, will open some sort of floodgate to modernity, which will result in the sweeping away of tradition. In fact, as observers have noted, the tone and content of the documents is extremely conservative, clearly designed to calm any such fears; but the slightest hint of change – and in.......

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1 posted on 06/16/2016 4:44:22 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

I can hardly blame them.


2 posted on 06/16/2016 4:56:39 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("All times are dangerous times." - St. Teresa of Avila)
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To: marshmallow

The Roman church today is headed by an activist bishop whose core belief is Socialism and whose words and deeds indicate that he esteems pagan religions as equal to Christianity. Nothing good will come from any alliance at any level with Bergoglio or the bishops who elected him.


3 posted on 06/16/2016 5:58:22 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: marshmallow; Always A Marine
I'm just reading The Apostasy That Wasn't by Rod Bennett, which largely covers the run-up, event, and aftermath of the First Ecumenical Council at Nicaea.

One of the weird things is that the Arian heresy actually got worse after the Council than it was before, because even the good-guy bishops (except for the holy and utterly obstinate Athanasius) were casting about trying to finesse the main issue, trying to find a way to compromise by not saying quite, exactly what needed to be said.

I mean, God's Truth wins in the end, but even practically up to the time of Athanasius' death --- well, it was a near-run thing.

So what I'm learning from all this, is: God wins, God wins! The Catholic Church emerges shiny & sparkly! In God's time. --- but in the meantime, hang on until your knuckles get white, our life is all struggle.

Lord, have mercy.

4 posted on 06/16/2016 6:41:43 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("All times are dangerous times." - St. Teresa of Avila)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
The very first COUNCIL OF JERUSALEM, 50 A.D., was held to decide if Gentiles had to follow the Jewish tradition of circumcision. The Council decided that they did NOT.

If that FIRST Council had failed there would probably have been no following councils. The Holy Spirit guided those people back then. I believe that He will guide current ones.

Just my opinion and belief.

5 posted on 06/16/2016 7:20:24 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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Yes, the Council of Jerusalem was really the first. Then 300 years of sporadic persecutions. Christians used for living torches, lion-chow --- and then Nicaea.

God protects His Church. I believe that. But like I said, we may see only struggle in our lifetimes.

Be strong.

6 posted on 06/16/2016 8:32:37 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("He shall defend the needy, He shall save the children of the poor, and crush the oppressor.")
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To: marshmallow
The whole thing's just an excuse to make the Orthodox churches as openly liberal as the Catholic and (non-Fundamentalist) Protestant churches.

As I said on another post, the eastern churches are as liberal and rotten as the western ones. It's just that the quaint ceremonies and costumes distract people from noticing.

7 posted on 06/16/2016 8:35:45 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (HaShem first! Anything else is idolatry, a violation of the very first commandment!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Yes, the Council of Jerusalem was really the first. Then 300 years of sporadic persecutions. Christians used for living torches, lion-chow --- and then Nicaea. God protects His Church. I believe that. But like I said, we may see only struggle in our lifetimes.
Be strong.

It's easy to be strong when I see who is on the other side, that is, Satan, his minions and those here on earth who refuse God.
The destination I strive for is heaven with our good Lord...not the "other" place, that is, eternity withOUT God. WHO, in his right mind, would ever choose the Great Liar?

8 posted on 06/16/2016 1:52:55 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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