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To: Lera; RoosterRedux
Then there's Lot. Remember his struggles? He's the guy who lived in a city where not only were they stuck in the "normalcy bias", every form of sexual perversion and debauchery was running rampant without restraint.

Wrong, again...

What was the sin of Sodom?

Classical Jewish texts concur that God did *not* destroy Sodom and Gemorrah because their inhabitants were homosexual. Not at all. Rather, the cities were destroyed because the inhabitents were nasty, depraved, and uncompromisingly greedy. Classical Jewish writings affirm that the primary crimes of the Sodomites were, among others, terrible and repeated economic crimes, both against each other and to outsiders. Saying "God killed them because they were gay" is, to say the least, not the Jewish teaching on the subject.

Consider the following texts:

Your elder sister is Samaria, who lived with her daughters to the north of you; and your younger sister, who lived to the south of you, is Sodom with her daughters. You not only followed their ways, and acted according to their abominations; within a very little time you were more corrupt than they in all your ways. As I live, says the Lord GOD, your sister Sodom and her daughters have not done as you and your daughters have done. This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it.
Ezekiel 16:46-50

Lot's more @
http://www.iwgonline.org/docs/sodom.html

This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it.

Proverbs 21:13 Whoever shuts his ears to the cry of the poor Will also cry himself and not be heard.

See: Matthew 15:23

15 posted on 06/01/2016 7:11:53 PM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (EL CHI)
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To: Jeremiah Jr

[[Then there’s Lot. Remember his struggles? He’s the guy who lived in a city where not only were they stuck in the “normalcy bias”, every form of sexual perversion and debauchery was running rampant without restraint.

Wrong, again...]]

No he is not wrong it is you that are wrong .

[[What was the sin of Sodom?

Classical Jewish texts concur that God did *not* destroy Sodom and Gemorrah because their inhabitants were homosexual. Not at all. Rather, the cities were destroyed because the inhabitents were nasty, depraved, and uncompromisingly greedy. Classical Jewish writings affirm that the primary crimes of the Sodomites were, among others, terrible and repeated economic crimes, both against each other and to outsiders. Saying “God killed them because they were gay” is, to say the least, not the Jewish teaching on the subject.
]]

Sodom was comfortable with their sin and so were the Amorites who were removed from the land for Israel .

Let’s start with

(Genesis 15:13) And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

(Genesis 15:14) And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

(Genesis 15:15) And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

(Genesis 15:16) But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Notice that God sent Israel into Egypt until the iniquity of the Amorites was full
The word full used here is shalem which means to be comforable with /friendly with their sin .

Notice when they come out of Egypt God warns them not walk in their ordinances (customs)

(Leviticus 18:3) After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.

Ezekiel tells us what the sins of Sodom were

(Ezekiel 16:49) Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

(Ezekiel 16:50) And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

Notice the word abomination in verse 16:50 and lets see what it is that God considers abomination

(Leviticus 18:4) Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.

(Leviticus 18:5) Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.

(Leviticus 18:6) None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.

(Leviticus 18:7) The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.

(Leviticus 18:8) The nakedness of thy father’s wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father’s nakedness.

(Leviticus 18:9) The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.

(Leviticus 18:10) The nakedness of thy son’s daughter, or of thy daughter’s daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.

(Leviticus 18:11) The nakedness of thy father’s wife’s daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.

(Leviticus 18:12) Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father’s sister: she is thy father’s near kinswoman.

(Leviticus 18:13) Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother’s sister: for she is thy mother’s near kinswoman.

(Leviticus 18:14) Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father’s brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt.

(Leviticus 18:15) Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son’s wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.

(Leviticus 18:16) Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother’s wife: it is thy brother’s nakedness.

(Leviticus 18:17) Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son’s daughter, or her daughter’s daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.

(Leviticus 18:18) Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time.

(Leviticus 18:19) Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.

(Leviticus 18:20) Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour’s wife, to defile thyself with her.

(Leviticus 18:21) And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.

(Leviticus 18:22) Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

(Leviticus 18:23) Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

Now pay attention to the warning of what will happen if they follow the ordinances of the Amorites (cannan)

(Leviticus 18:24) Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

(Leviticus 18:25) And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.

and then to make it clear and short

(Jude 1:7) Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.


16 posted on 06/01/2016 9:58:09 PM PDT by Lera ( 1 Corinthians 15:1-4)
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