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Dollingergate: That Curious Vatican Denial [Catholic Caucus]
Fatima Perspectives ^ | May 27, 2016 | Christopher A. Ferrara

Posted on 05/28/2016 7:51:49 PM PDT by ebb tide

This column has been on hiatus over the past two weeks as I joined the Remnant’s team on the annual pilgrimage from Paris to Chartres – this year involving some 20,000 traditional Catholics whose average age must be in the low 20s.

While I was away another Fatima bombshell exploded. The blog site One Peter 5 (1P5) obtained confirmation by telephone from the German priest-theologian Fr. Ingo Dollinger of what The Fatima Center reported back in 2009 concerning the Third Secret: that then-Cardinal Ratzinger told Father Dollinger, a close personal friend, that in the Secret the Blessed Virgin warns of a wayward council and ruinous changes to the Mass. As 1P5 reported on May 15:

Today, on the Feast of Pentecost, I called Fr. Ingo Dollinger, a German priest and former professor of theology in Brasil who is now quite elderly and physically weak. He has been a personal friend of Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI for many years. Father Dollinger unexpectedly confirmed over the phone the following facts:

Not long after the June 2000 publication of the Third Secret of Fatima by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger told Fr. Dollinger during an in-person conversation that there is still a part of the Third Secret that they have not published! “There is more than what we published,” Ratzinger said. He also told Dollinger that the published part of the Secret is authentic and that the unpublished part of the Secret speaks about “a bad council and a bad Mass” that was to come in the near future.

Now, as a matter of policy the Vatican bureaucracy ignores critical commentary about its doings in the Catholic blogosphere, treating its critics as if they do not exist. The same was true when The Fatima Center originally reported Fr. Dollinger’s revelations. But Fr. Dollinger’s direct, personal confirmation of The Fatima Center’s earlier account of his statements by telephone could not be ignored. The response came six days later in the form of an unsigned, anonymous communiqué from the Vatican Press Office:

Communiqué: on various articles regarding the “Third Secret of Fatima”

Several articles have appeared recently, including declarations attributed to Professor Ingo Dollinger according to which Cardinal Ratzinger, after the publication of the Third Secret of Fatima (which took place in June 2000), had confided to him that the publication was not complete.

In this regard, Pope emeritus Benedict XVI declares “never to have spoken with Professor Dollinger about Fatima”, clearly affirming that the remarks attributed to Professor Dollinger on the matter “are pure inventions, absolutely untrue”, and he confirms decisively that “the publication of the Third Secret of Fatima is complete”.

In response to the communiqué, 1P5’s reporter, a native German speaker, “telephoned Father Dollinger with the news of the Vatican statement, and at that time he again confirmed to her emphatically and clearly his previous remarks. In other words, he stood by his story.”

Given these facts, the anonymous communiqué leaks water from every part, to use an Italian saying. Consider:

First, there is no indication the Vatican contacted Fr. Dollinger to obtain a denial from him that he said the things the Press Office claims were falsely “attributed” to him. That omission speaks volumes: the Press Office made no such effort because it knows or at least suspects that Fr. Dollinger did indeed say what 1P5 reported and it did not wish to be confronted with his confirmation of the story, which the Press Office could not very well hide.

Second, the Vatican has gone very far out on a very thin limb when it declares flatly that Benedict claims “never to have spoken with Professor Dollinger about Fatima.” Really? Never? Not at any time? Not a single word ever passed between the former Cardinal Ratzinger and his close friend Fr. Dollinger on the subject of Fatima? That claim does not pass the smell test.

Third, the Press Office’s assertion that Benedict called Fr. Dollinger’s statements on the matter “pure inventions, absolutely untrue” necessarily involves the accusation that Fr. Dollinger is a bald-faced liar who concocted statements the former Cardinal Ratzinger never made, or that the reporter for 1P5 is a liar who concocted the statements. But, again, no effort was made to obtain a denial from Fr. Dollinger because, no doubt, a denial was not expected. Thus, the Press Office has published a libelous accusation against both Fr. Dollinger and the reporter who related his statements — statements the Press Office made no effort to confirm because it knows or suspects the statements were made.

Fourth, a lawyer could have drafted the Vatican’s carefully worded declaration that Benedict “confirms decisively that ‘the publication of the Third Secret of Fatima is complete.’” Of course the Vatican claims publication is “complete” because it has no intention of publishing anything else respecting the Secret. That is, the text — which must exist — wherein the Virgin explains the meaning of the vision published in 2000, which the Vatican ludicrously insisted that a corrupt Vatican bureaucrat, Cardinal Sodano, would “interpret” for us. The real issue is whether the Vatican has published the complete Secret, not whether the act of publication is complete so far as the Vatican is concerned. And, to this day, the Vatican has refused squarely to answer the crucial question: Is there a text written by Sister Lucia, whether or not it is deemed “authentic” by certain Vatican personages, in which she recounts the Virgin’s explanation of the vision published in 2000?

Fifth, and finally, the anonymous author of an unsigned communiqué expects us to believe that the cropped phrases he (or she) “attributes” to Benedict are unquestionably true and accurate, whereas the statements 1P5 “attributes” to Fr. Dollinger are pure lies and inventions — including Fr. Dollinger’s confirmation, days ago, that he made the statements! Really? I don’t think so.

Has this leaky “denial” ended the matter of Fr. Dollinger’s explosive revelations? Not by a long shot. If anything, it confirms panic in the Vatican. Of course, Benedict could personally appear in public and, in his own unedited words, explicitly deny his friend Fr. Dollinger’s account. But I think we can be certain this will never happen for the same reason no effort was made to obtain such a denial from Fr. Dollinger in the first instance: the Vatican knows the truth of what he revealed.

The saga of the Third Secret of Fatima continues.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Prayer
KEYWORDS: rosary

1 posted on 05/28/2016 7:51:49 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
True. Thankfully, Benedict XVI's 2007 document "Summorum Pontificum" solves 95% of the problems about the Third Secret. The other 5% opens the door for healthy curiosity and further research of John Paul II's statements on Fatima.
2 posted on 05/28/2016 8:13:27 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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To: ebb tide

The original publication of the third secret in 2000 never passed the smell test for anyone. It was obviously incomplete for at least these reasons:

1. It contained only images... No words of Our Lady.

2. The interpretation was from a Vatican official, not from Our Lady or Sr. Lucia.

3. There would have been no reason at all to keep it secret in the first place if the whole vision was what was released. Don Bosco’s vision was much more upsetting than the vague description of persecution contained in the published account of the third secret of Fatima. Ho hum. It was as if they thought we had never heard that Chrisrians would be persecuted and that we needed to be protected from such upsetting news.

No, there’s no plausible reason that so many popes, or even Our Lady, would have felt that the version that was released in 2000 should have been kept secret at all, much less until 1960 or 2000. Other aspects of the vision, such as the prediction of the annihilation of countries, the prediction of World War II, the vision of hell... All these things could plausibly have been something to keep secret, but they were not.

On the other hand, the prediction of a bad council and a bad Mass would indeed be something they might want to hide from the faithful. That’s much more plausible, especially in light of what has happened to the liturgy over the last 50 years, as well as the great apostasy of so many of the faithful, the disobedience of so many priests, and, of course, the ongoing sex abuse scandal.

I have no faith that this latest declaration is worth the paper it’s written on, for exactly the reasons cited in the article.


3 posted on 05/28/2016 8:22:48 PM PDT by scouter (As for me and my household... We will serve the LORD.)
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To: scouter
The liturgical reform, in its concrete realization, has distanced itself even more from its origin. The result has not been a reanimation, but devastation. In place of the liturgy, fruit of a continual development, they have placed a fabricated liturgy. They have deserted a vital process of growth and becoming in order to substitute a fabrication. They did not want to continue the development, the organic maturing of something living through the centuries, and they replaced it, in the manner of technical production, by a fabrication, a banal product of the moment. (Ratzinger in Revue Theologisches, Vol. 20, Feb. 1990, pgs. 103-104)

Eleven Great Quotes from Pope Benedict XVI on Liturgy and the Holy Mass

4 posted on 05/28/2016 8:48:10 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

The story of Fatima has become a farce. The Pope read this letter, but he didn’t read that one. This letter was kept in a drawer in the Papal Apartment, and this one wasn’t. The seal on this letter was broken, but the seal on the envelope inside wasn’t. Sr. Lucy after 1960 was an impostor! (Her photos certainly make it seem so!) Fr. So-and-so interviewed Sr. Lucy about Fr. Other-so-and-so’s statement about Pope What’s-his-name’s interview with Cardinal Such-and-such!

And WHAT is the SECRET!!!!! that the Vatican is hiding this time?????

“A bad council and a bad Mass”!!!!!

The sky is up!!!!! The grass is green!!!!!

Only in psychotic wards and in the Vatican are there people who think that they can cover up the fact that the past fifty years have been a Dark Age for the Catholic Church.


5 posted on 05/28/2016 10:34:58 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: ebb tide

What is to become of us? I barely recognize the Church I grew up in.


6 posted on 05/29/2016 12:24:44 AM PDT by OldNewYork (Operation Wetback II, now with computers)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Only in psychotic wards and in the Vatican are there people who think that they can cover up the fact that the past fifty years have been a Dark Age for the Catholic Church.

This reminds me of the words of Our Lord:

For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and nothing concealed that will not be known and illuminated.

In time it will all be revealed ... and it won't be pretty.

7 posted on 05/29/2016 3:43:48 AM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: ebb tide

Ha. The neverending 3rd Fatima secret conspiracy. It jumped the shark already.


8 posted on 05/29/2016 10:55:45 AM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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