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Cordoba Rejects Catholic Church's Claim to Own Mosque-Cathedral
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 3/13/16 | Stephen Burgen

Posted on 03/13/2016 2:04:58 PM PDT by marshmallow

Building does not belong to any individual or organisation, according to council report on long-running row

Local authorities in Cordoba have dealt a blow to the Catholic church's claim of legal ownership of the Spanish city's mosque-cathedral, declaring that "religious consecration is not the way to acquire property".

The report, written by the city council's secretary general, Valeriano Lavela, marks a significant intervention in long-running row over the building, which lies on the site of a Visigothic Christian church built in the early 9th century and was given to the local bishop by Fernando III in 1236 when the city fell to Christian forces.

In 2006 the diocese of Cordoba paid E30 to register ownership of what it calls the cathedral-mosque or sometimes just the cathedral. The council's approved name is the mosque-cathedral of Cordoba.

But the council's report says the building does not belong to the church nor to any other organisation or individual. Lavela writes that the church's acquisition has no legal basis and cannot confer ownership. This, he adds, is not just because the site has since 1984 been a Unesco world heritage site "of exceptional universal value" and therefore cannot be owned by anyone.

Citing Roman law, Lavela argues that the site's true owners "are each and every citizen of the world from whatever epoch and regardless of people, nation, culture or race".

The church has not yet responded to the report.

In 2013, hundreds of thousands of people signed a petition for the building to be managed by the local authority rather than the church in order to conserve its cultural heritage. It was in response to an inquiry into whether the city of Cordoba could ever claim ownership that the report was published.

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1 posted on 03/13/2016 2:04:58 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Well, the muslims want all of Spain back, so they’ll start with the churches, and after that the rest will fall easily.


2 posted on 03/13/2016 2:07:19 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: CondorFlight

“Lavela argues that the site’s true owners “are each and every citizen of the world from whatever epoch and regardless of people, nation, culture or race”

Because nations and cultures are obsolete, we should just all be one big happy brotherhood, drawing unicorns and holding hands and singing Kumbaya...


3 posted on 03/13/2016 2:08:36 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: marshmallow

I’ll wait for Turkey to give back Hagia Sophia.


4 posted on 03/13/2016 2:09:58 PM PDT by AU72
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To: marshmallow
This, he adds, is not just because the site has since 1984 been a Unesco world heritage site "of exceptional universal value" and therefore cannot be owned by anyone.

So now the UN can say to someone “Your property no longer belongs to you because it is "of exceptional universal value".

Get us out of the UN!!!!!

By the way if the Cathedral belongs to no one who is responsible for its up keep?

5 posted on 03/13/2016 2:19:38 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: marshmallow

Interesting history.


6 posted on 03/13/2016 2:21:04 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen and you, O death, are annihilated!)
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To: AU72

God willing, the Russians will get it back for us!


7 posted on 03/13/2016 2:22:11 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen and you, O death, are annihilated!)
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To: marshmallow

This is not just Islamic influences. There is also at least a century of Communist antipathy for the Church in Spain. It was most prevalent in during the Spanish Civil War when the communist Republican government declared war on the Church and murdered over 6000 priests and nuns (including 16 of 18 Bishops). Their war included the seizure of many church properties.

Of course in the years since, the Communist have posed as the good guys and falsely painted Francisco Franco and Spanish Catholic patriots as Fascists.

William Carroll’s The Last Crusade is an excellent read for anyone who wants a good synopsis of the character of the Spanish Civil War.


8 posted on 03/13/2016 2:36:11 PM PDT by Bill Russell
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To: Bill Russell

Who says the communists lost the Spanish Civil War?

They seem to own the Cordoba city council.


9 posted on 03/13/2016 2:51:23 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: CondorFlight

Virtually all the mosques in Spain were built on the ruins of Catholic churches in the Islamic invasions. In the 10th century, when the Muslims invaded Santiago de Compostela, which had a huge and beautiful cathedral with many bells, they made the Christian prisoners carry the bells the 500 miles to Cordova, where they were melted down and used for making the lamps at the mosque in Cordoba.


10 posted on 03/13/2016 3:50:23 PM PDT by livius
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To: elcid1970

The leftists own everything in Spain now. And they’re working hand in glove with the Muslims.


11 posted on 03/13/2016 3:50:56 PM PDT by livius
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To: Kolokotronis

Heck, the Russians won’t even give back the Catholic churches they stole from us in the USSR.


12 posted on 03/13/2016 4:39:06 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: marshmallow

Local authorities say “Molon labe.”


13 posted on 03/13/2016 6:11:53 PM PDT by Buttons12
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To: livius

Franco for all his faults kept Spain out of WWII and bequeathed them a democracy, a beloved King, and a modern economy.

Things started downhill with socialist Felipe Gonzales in 1981. Now, La Pasionaria is laughing in Hell.

Farewell, Spain. Santiago has already fled.


14 posted on 03/13/2016 6:15:36 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: elcid1970

It could be said the communists won when you look at the long term effects on the level of faith practice and Church attendance in Spain today along with its socialist policies. I believe Franco made a critical mistake in not including the Carlists (A devout Catholic movement that embraced a greater separation between Church and State and called for Church social and charitable involvement). Franco was more of a Falangist (a Catholic movement that advocated Church involvement in the government with many government social programs.) and I believe that ultimately undermined the religious faith of the people of Spain and transitioned into a more secular form of socialism.


15 posted on 03/14/2016 11:15:02 AM PDT by Bill Russell
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To: Bill Russell

Franco was a hero.


16 posted on 03/14/2016 11:18:30 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Bill Russell

Just a guess, but Franco needed allies wherever he could find them & probably approached the Carlists, who supported the overthrown king Alfonso XIII, but Franco indicated he would not restore the unpopular Alfonso to the throne, so...adios Carlistas.


17 posted on 03/14/2016 11:46:14 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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