[DoodleDawg]

Either marriage is what the church has believed for millennia - a permanent union between one man and one woman as Jesus defined it - or it isn’t. And if marriage isn’t as the Bible defined it then how can the Church claim that same-sex marriage isn’t valid? And if Jesus was wrong in his teachings on marriage then where else will the Church decide He was wrong?

[pieceofthepuzzle]

Then it makes more sense to just shack up with someone, even have kids, because when that relationship ends there are no Catholic consequences. You just go to confession, say a few Hail Mary's, then get married in a Catholic church when you are ready. Then you're good, all is well, and you can go to communion, even if you have 10 children out there from previous non-marriage relationships. Or wait until you are on your fourth marriage to declare you are Catholic. That way, the previous marriages don't ‘count’, even if you have a ton of kids, because they weren't officiated by a priest in a Catholic church. Or, just be a Kennedy and get annulments, even after having children.