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Vatican says Catholics should not try to convert Jews and should fight anti-Semitism
REUTERS ^ | December 11, 2015 | Reuters Staff

Posted on 12/11/2015 2:01:07 PM PST by onyx

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To: Capt. Tom; onyx
"The new document from the Vatican's Commission for Religious Relations with Jews stressed recent Vatican teachings that the two religions were intertwined and that God had never annulled his covenant with the Jewish people."

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That was always my understanding.

21 posted on 12/11/2015 2:31:34 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: xzins

I can’t find fault with anything you wrote and I most certainly agree with you that, “It is God who opens the heart.”

God bless.

My precious DrO was in practice with one Orthodox Jew and one rather nominal Jew and of course my husband was a very devout Catholic. Those three never had a religious argument in their almost 40 years and they were entirely respectful of both religions, allowing the religious symbols to decorate the offices etc. The vast majority of patients loved it and participated. I think those who didn’t were told to go elsewhere ... lol.


22 posted on 12/11/2015 2:38:43 PM PST by onyx
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To: trisham

“Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.”

seems to recommend other wise.


23 posted on 12/11/2015 2:39:42 PM PST by Bidimus1
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To: Bidimus1

I don’t agree.


24 posted on 12/11/2015 2:41:17 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: elcid1970

Christianity should not seek to teach Jews right from wrong. They should know that in the Law of God. Neither should it ever force conversions. But since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, all need a payment bigger than themselves: Jesus Christ, our substitute.


25 posted on 12/11/2015 2:42:52 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: trisham

Your choice to not agree. But Unless Jews are not part of ALL then you will have a hard time making a logical argument.


26 posted on 12/11/2015 2:44:13 PM PST by Bidimus1
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To: Bidimus1

Believe as you will.


27 posted on 12/11/2015 2:44:51 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham; onyx
Does anyone within the Roman Catholic community understand Scripture? Paul (writing to the Christians at ROME!) tells them NOT TO BE IGNORANT!!!

Romans 11:... 25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

"The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins."

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

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1 Corinthians 9: 10 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

6 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry." ...

28 posted on 12/11/2015 2:52:37 PM PST by WVKayaker (On Scale of 1 to 5 Palins, How Likely Is Media Assault on Each GOP Candidate?)
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To: WVKayaker; onyx

Take it easy.


29 posted on 12/11/2015 2:55:15 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Thank you for that thoughtful & serious Christian reply with which I agree completely, but I was only trying to inject a little levity.

Those words were sung by Tomas de Torquemada as played by Mel Brooks. A Jewish friend asked me wasn’t I offended when the Grand Inquisitor commanded, “Send in the nuns!!”


30 posted on 12/11/2015 3:00:28 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: trisham
Take it easy.

Hahahahahahaaaaaa!

Why? This is ANOTHER thread about a subject that COMPLETELY goes against Scripture. Why anyone who claims to be Christians would suggest that Jews do not need Christ is completely IGNORANT of God's plan!

Take it easy? Never! As long as such balderdash is posted as anything approaching being correct, it is our DUTY to preach the Gospel to EVERYONE. ALL HAVE SINNED... that includes Jews (for Reference, see the BIBLE!)!

This is just more provocative nonsense from indoctrinated Catholics. It is anathema to Jesus' purpose on Earth!

31 posted on 12/11/2015 3:01:19 PM PST by WVKayaker (On Scale of 1 to 5 Palins, How Likely Is Media Assault on Each GOP Candidate?)
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To: WVKayaker; trisham; Jim Robinson

TAKE A HINT - I IGNORED YOUR FIRST POST TO ME.

Don't post to me.

NOT INTERESTED IN ARGUMEMTS.

Obviously, Jim's admonishments mean nothing to you: - post 395! AND there's 2 more on same thread, mere minutes apart.


32 posted on 12/11/2015 3:01:20 PM PST by onyx
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To: WVKayaker

You have your beliefs. That’s fine. Go with God.


33 posted on 12/11/2015 3:08:37 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: onyx
Obviously, Jim's admonishments mean nothing to you: - post 395! AND there's 2 more on same thread, mere minutes apart.

.. and obviously, you feel exempt from the rule that we don't take things from thread to thread.

If you don't want controversy, don't post such anti-Scriptural tripe... or try and answer with Scripture to confirm this thread's premise... which cannot be found anywhere!

34 posted on 12/11/2015 3:09:31 PM PST by WVKayaker (On Scale of 1 to 5 Palins, How Likely Is Media Assault on Each GOP Candidate?)
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To: trisham
You have your beliefs. That’s fine. Go with God.<

He lives in me! I can't leave home without Him!

So, the Scriptures I posted have no effect against this claim by your Pope?

35 posted on 12/11/2015 3:11:19 PM PST by WVKayaker (On Scale of 1 to 5 Palins, How Likely Is Media Assault on Each GOP Candidate?)
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To: trisham

Hi Tri
Please read Romans Chapters 9 through 11.

I think it’s a bit more complicated than some of the sound bites we’re reading.


36 posted on 12/11/2015 3:11:38 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support the troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
We should pray about the right time and place and method, but people don’t ‘convert’ others to Jesus. It is God who opens the heart.

Bingo. PLUS, when he says fishers of men, he doesn't mean dynamite fishing. Some like fly-fishing or "trout-tickling."

37 posted on 12/11/2015 3:12:51 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico.)
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To: xzins

Thanks, xzins.


38 posted on 12/11/2015 3:13:11 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: WVKayaker

I have my beliefs. You have yours.


39 posted on 12/11/2015 3:14:03 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: onyx

Imagine!

Peter preaching to JEWS on Pentecost.

Paul entering every synagogue to preach to JEWS first.

Now, after 2,000 years, we find they were wrong.

No, wait...

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.”

Romans 1:6


40 posted on 12/11/2015 3:18:32 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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