Posted on 11/01/2015 3:46:31 PM PST by piusv
What constitutes repentance? Does it need to be a public display or have some rosaries said after confessing it or can the person repent in private prayer to God?
Paul lamented that he kept finding himself doing that which he would not do and not doing that which he would do - did he need to confess it to a priest in order to have it considered repentance?
So many keep getting their panties in outraged twists about the sins of others that one would think they are even purer than the Pharisees considered themselves to be.
But if anyone else molests a child (coach, teacher, family member) it's OK?
My late neighbor. He was a Harvard educated lawyer but was remarried with a living spouse. He attended Holy Mass but did not partake in Holy Communion because of his situation. I am sure that he made a spiritual communion instead and that he was Graced according to Our Lord's Will.
Public defiance against God's Law certainly does not, and that is what this is all about.
Unfortunately, there is a large portion of the Catholic population who defy the notion that adultery and/or homosexual relations are sinful. They wish to impose their defiant views upon the Church.
Equally unfortunate are the large number of Catholic clergy who agree with them, as witnessed at the synod.
More than unfortunate, horrendous in fact, is the uncharitable calumny by the very highest Church authority against the clergy who wish for the Church to abide by Christ's teachings.
Which makes the push to accept homosexual behavior all the more ironic.
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The great homosexual predator scandal in the Church will pale in comparison to what awaits our innocent youths once the homosexualist goal of lowering the age of consent is achieved.
No. Is the report online? Do you have a link to it?
I don't think that remarried couples should receive Communion unless they've been granted annulment. However, I would like to see changes made so that a spouse who's been cheated on, stolen from, etc., can obtain annulment more easily.
For the record, I have no horse in the race, so to speak, but I know some good wives whose husbands cheated, left, and remarried, and these women are being denied annulments.
I didn’t know that. Thanks for the info.
Correction: Their husbands cheated, left, and are with other women now. (I don’t think the husbands actually remarried.)
And I request an apology, Pops, for the YEARS, money, red tape, and endless forms/questionnaires that we and our family members filled out to get there. BS x 10
I forgot to mention the years we went up to the alter and requested a “blessing” with our arms across our chests.
No divorced Catholic has been denied a Eucharist to my knowledge in my lifetime, at least not in the US.
You are asked to refrain, and if you are willing to go through the annulment process, you are back in good standing.
Now, don’t ask me what that involves, but I can tell you this, my grandfather somehow got a formal annulment from the church for his marriage to my grandmother, a marriage that lasted over 25 years, they divorced, remarried each other again a few years later, and divorced again after 5 or so more years. This relationship produced 4 children... etc etc etc.. yet somehow he went through the process of getting a formal annulment many years after he and my grandmother divorced the second time.
I have no idea what the process involved, but understand, an anullment states the church views the marriage as if it never happened, and was illegitimate. This devastated my grandmother, and frankly shows me the whole argument about divorced catholic to be a bit of joke. These two were married to each other twice, over the course of more than 30 years, had 4 children together that they raised to adulthood.... but the Church somehow said, poof, that wasn’t a marriage? It didn’t happen?
This whole topic is nonsense to me, can argue the formal doctrine of the church all you want, but the reality is its a joke. I don’t say this to put divorce lightly, but the church has bigger issues to deal with than divorced Catholics.... say, for instance the gay mafia running rampant within its halls.
Anullment process is a joke, which is why this entire topic is laughable...see my posts elsewhere.
-— but the Church somehow said, poof, that wasn’t a marriage? It didn’t happen? -—
The following isn’t a comparison but an illustration of the principle.
If two close relations “marry” and have children, their marriage would be null, regardless of the length of time that they were together.
This is an extreme example that illustrates the principle.
Other grounds could be coercion at the time of the wedding, a commitment to reject children forever at the time of the wedding, entering marriage with the intention to leave when convenient, etc.
The issue is not the THEORY (which is more or less clear), it is the PRACTICE, which is a sewer.
The Church, now granting upwards of 30 000 annulments/year in the United States, almost all on the basis of defective consent (lacking maturity or psychologically incapable) COULD stop the current practice and return to granting 60-100 annulments/year on actual, provable grounds, or it could continue the existing annulment industry, or it could do something different.
The US bishops (and apparently Pope Francis) don’t have the slightest inclination to reduce the number of annulments to a level consistent with truth telling. The bishops hate the lying, the procurement of perjury, and the sleaze associated with the status quo.
Since the annulment is automatic if you use the right words (have a good canon lawyer), why not cut the lawyers and the judges out of the process?
That’s what is going to happen.
The post Vatican II annulment mill is a scandal. But not a surprise.
They weren’t related and neither was coerced EITHER time they wed. As I said the divorce/anullment is a joke.
Don't be silly.
Just happens to be even more insidious when the predator is a priest. Not only steals the child's innocence, it wounds the child's/adults relationship with God.
It is nothing less than demonic.
Agreed, and I read your other post above.
These days, some couples are granted annulments easily, it seems.
Then there was the group of women I met who were told they wouldn’t qualify for annulments. The reason was that they had been married to their exes for many years and the marriages produced children. It didn’t seem to matter to the Church that their husbands cheated and left.
So, yes, sometimes the annulment process doesn’t seem to make sense at all.
You got me. But I still don’t believe him.
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