Wash thoroughly.
Posted on 11/01/2015 3:46:31 PM PST by piusv
Yes, he said it over the phone to his favorite journalist, Italian editor Eugenio Scalfari of La Repubblica, in a conversation on October 28, revealed by the latter in an editorial published this Sunday.
There is no reason to doubt its accuracy. We are way past the time of doubting the accuracy of the Scalfari quotes. Not now, that the papal interviews to Scalfari have been published in the Vatican website, that they have been occasionally published by the Vatican publishing house (LEV) itself - for instance, as part of the book to the right.
It was a direct quote by Scalfari, as the Pope explained to his dear Atheist friend what the Synod had decided (in fact as an answer to another editorial on the Synod Scalfari had published in Repubblica).
The quote is the following:
In the same phone conversation of the past Wednesday, he declared himself very interested in the article I had dedicated to him two Sundays beforehand. He asked me what I thought of the conclusions of the Synod on the family. I responded -- as I had already written -- that the compromise that the Synod had reached did not seem to take into account the changes had had taken place in the family in the past fifty years, [and] therefore pointing towards the recovery of the traditional family was an objective that was completely unthinkable. I added that the open Church willed by him finds herself before a family that is open both in its goodness and in its wickedness, and that it is this that the Church finds before her.
"It is true -- Pope Francis answered -- it is a truth and for that matter the family that is the basis of any society changes continuously, as all things change around us. We must not think that the family does not exist any longer, it will always exist, because ours is a social species, and the family is the support beam of sociability, but it cannot be avoided that the current family, open as you say, contains some positive aspects, and some negative ones. ... The diverse opinion of the bishops is part of this modernity of the Church and of the diverse societies in which she operated, but the goal is the same, and for that which regards the admission of the divorced to the Sacraments, [it] confirms that this principle has been accepted by the Synod. This is bottom line result, the de facto appraisals are entrusted to the confessors, but at the end of faster or slower paths, all the divorced who ask will be admitted." [Rorate translation, emphasis added]
Honestly, friends, is there any doubt that is how Francis, who has championed this notion from the first moment, sees this? Is there any doubt this is what will be (with some variation, some Pharisaic language) in the post-Synodal exhortation? Now what?...
And we’re off.....
Lots of democrat catholic politicians who are divorced. Can’t keep them out.
Divorce and remarriage: the only unforgivable sin.
Divorce and remarriage: the only unforgivable sin.
No, blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable sin.
This is the status quo, except that now, “asking to be admitted” involves a process that costs money, usually requires lying, and does not entail one bit of examination of conscience.
The rotten state of American annulment practice could not continue. Going back to refusing the vast majority of annulments was unthinkable to the bishops.
So, they will cut out the lawyers and the judges, with the same results.
Big deal.
I have friends at my parish, lovely couple who have both been divorced, and married (eachother) outside of the church. They attend Mass, join clubs, good members. No, they do not partake in Holy Communion but have never complained about that!
I doubt this.
There is more to the equation, I’m sure.
His declaration that homosexuality is acceptable is next.
Amen.
I’ll believe it when we hear it directly from Francis in an official document. Until then, it’s just a reporter, trusted by nobody, saying it.
Scalfari 1) is an atheist, 2) in his 90s, and 3) doesn’t take notes or record his interviews — he writes his articles from memory. How unreliable can you get?
Real intelligent remark.
The sin of the divorced and re-married is the fact that such a relationship is ONGOING adultery and adultery is a sin. For both parties btw.
"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and whoever marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery." That's according to Jesus.
This only begs the question of what constitutes a valid marriage.
Everyone acknowledges the principle of invalid marriage as in, for example, the case of the marriage of two close relations.
Catholics recognize the Church to be the ultimate authority in discipline. "If he won't listen to the church, treat him as a pagan (i.e., non-Christian)" --Jesus.
So the Church possesses the ultimate authority to determine the validity of marriages.
Until now, the Church has advised those who have divorced and remarried to refrain from Communion, since they are presumed to be rejecting Church authority, and to be in a state of mortal sin (a sin that leads to spiritual death).
As for the "non-innocent" party --- e.g. the marriage-sabotaging petitioner in a contested civil divorce --- repentance and sacramental Confession can remedy that, as any other serious sin is remedied. Repentance and Confession are always required, in cases of serious sin, prior to Communion.
Wash thoroughly.
Why do you think Francis continues to give him interviews knowing he’s so unreliable?
There has been no wave of popular demand from openly divorced and remarried Catholics that the requirements be waived. They know there are problems and they’re working with them and probably even benefitting as a couple from their spiritual attitude.
As for people who don’t give a darn...they’ve been going to Communion all along and don’t care, so when the Pope makes it seem as if there’s a vast group out there demanding this, he’s creating a straw man to get what he wants.
It says that he plans to publish or make a statement in March of 2016. Remember that date. Personally, I think he’s an anti-pope and I hope he doesn’t last until March, but I suspect that it’s going to take more than hope to get him out.
on the highway to Hell.
Where did you hear March? I don’t recall his official statement taking that long the first time around.
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