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On the Relationship Between Light, Time, and the Mystery of God
Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 10-21-15 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 10/22/2015 7:20:02 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: BlessedBeGod
Regarding John 5:29....the righteous came to a resurrection of life. John 5:24 says they have passed out of judgment.

The one who committed evil deeds to judgment. In John 5:24 those who have not believed come into judgment.

The key to this is those who believe do not come into judgment. The believer in Christ will produce fruit for the Kingdom. It's a natural outflow of having the Holy Spirit. The unsaved do not have this.

41 posted on 10/26/2015 5:16:53 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Tenacious 1
We just sent signals out a few decades ago.

I wonder what the aliens will think when they watch their first episode of I Love Lucy?

42 posted on 10/26/2015 5:20:20 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (<i>)
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To: ealgeone

No I am calling your interpretation of it a protestant fairy tale.


43 posted on 10/26/2015 7:09:08 AM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: LurkingSince'98

Sorry if you don’t understand/believe the Word. It’s clear.


44 posted on 10/26/2015 7:31:07 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

It has nothing to do with what I understand and everything to do with your interpretation of it which is just a protestant fairy tale.


45 posted on 10/26/2015 9:03:39 AM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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To: LurkingSince'98

Keep digging....that hole you dug is pretty deep.


46 posted on 10/26/2015 9:32:03 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: mitch5501

Other great verses.

Praise God that He keeps us because that gives me that security that I could NEVER have if it were up to me and my efforts.


47 posted on 10/26/2015 4:22:47 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ealgeone

Some people either don’t want to believe Jesus do they?

Well, God allows them that prerogative, doesn’t He?

If Jesus tells us that we believers aren’t coming into judgement but that we have passed from death into life, who am I to argue? I’m not going to demand that God judge me anyways, cause I know THAT is not going to end well.

But to call the words of Jesus a *fairytale* is the height of hubris.


48 posted on 10/26/2015 4:27:36 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
That would take away all of the "you gotta do something for your salvation" religions. That takes away power from man.

The question becomes to those who question Christ: DO YOU BELIEVE CHRIST OR MAN?

49 posted on 10/26/2015 5:06:44 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone; metmom
"That would take away all of the "you gotta do something for your salvation" religions. That takes away power from man."

Amen indeed it does and gives ALL the glory to God!

Having that assurance is having that "helmet of salvation" on tightly,protecting the "sound mind" that God gives us instead of that "spirit of fear".

He is risen! T.H.E. E.N.D.

God bless you both for the posts eagleone and metmom.

50 posted on 10/26/2015 8:27:20 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure:for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: ealgeone

Pray that hole doesn’t become a bottomless pit!


51 posted on 10/26/2015 8:30:25 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure:for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: mitch5501; ealgeone

It’s also a control issue.

We think we can do a better job than anyone else at anything, and do not relinquish control very readily.

But really, who better to surrender control to? Do we really think that we can do a better job of assuring a place in heaven for ourselves than God?

And really, it’s a matter of trust. Those who won’t surrender control to God, who knows the beginning from the end, and is omnipotent and omnipresent, don’t really trust God to do what He says, or they wouldn’t be trying so hard to do it themselves.

But who better to trust? The omniscience, omnipresent, omnipotent Creator of the universe, who is love personified, or me who can’t control myself much less the guy next to me and don’t know what the weather is going to be like tomorrow morning?

So it gets down to either lack of trust, or simply not believing that God is going to do what He promised.

My salvation is secure, not because of anything I have done, but because of the trustworthiness of the One who promised that I am secure. He remains faithful, even if (when) I am faithless.


52 posted on 10/26/2015 8:46:09 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: mitch5501
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

John 6:37-39 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.

John 10:25-30 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”

1 Corinthians 1:4-8 I give thanks to my God always for you because of the grace of God that was given you in Christ Jesus,that in every way you were enriched in him in all speech and all knowledge—even as the testimony about Christ was confirmed among you—so that you are not lacking in any gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

2 Corinthians 5:4-8 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Colossians 1:13-14 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Colossians 2:13-14 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Colossians 3:3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.

1 Peter 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Hebrews 6:17-20 So when God desired to show more convincingly to the heirs of the promise the unchangeable character of his purpose, he guaranteed it with an oath, so that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us. We have this as a sure and steadfast anchor of the soul, a hope that enters into the inner place behind the curtain, where Jesus has gone as a forerunner on our behalf, having become a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3156607/posts?page=313#313

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

For which the Greek, from the Byzantine, is:

2Corinthians 1:21-22 ο δε βεβαιων ημας συν υμιν εις χριστον και χρισας ημας θεος ο και σφραγισαμενος ημας και δους τον αρραβωνα του πνευματος εν ταις καρδιαις ημων

The first word in bold above is “bebaion,” the idea of confirmation, frequently used in commercial settings to confirm a bargain. Which of course makes sense of the remaining terms used here, which are also elements of a secured contract.

The second word in bold above is “sphragisamenos,” being sealed is to be marked by the signature, signet ring, or other unique proof of identity, that we belong to God, and this sealing is done by God, who is the one taking action in this verse. We do not and cannot seal ourselves. We do not, by our own powers, have access to God’s “signet ring.”

The third bolded word above is “arrabona,” and indicates what we might loosely refer to as earnest money, but in Hebrew culture conveys more the idea of a pledge of covenant, a security given as a guarantee that the deal will go through, though we only receive part payment at the beginning. See ערב for the related Hebrew stem indicating “pledge.”

53 posted on 10/26/2015 8:48:34 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
Wow! You think God is trying to get something through our thick heads?

John 15:13 "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

For you mm...

"Then they that feared the Lord spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name.And they shall be mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him." (Malachi 3:16-17)

In all the years I've read the RF not many stand out as arguing the assurance of believers as consistantly as you have metmom and you've copped plenty for it.

You're a gem.Thankyou again for those wonderfull scriptures!

God bless!

54 posted on 10/26/2015 10:50:32 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure:for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: mitch5501; Mark17

I figure that God is a God of love and mercy as He tells us in Scripture, and when you read about how long He pleads with people to return to Him to avoid judgment and how much time He gives them to repent, and the lengths that He went to to save us, it makes no sense that He’d leave us unsure of our future, or that it could be so easily lost or cast away.

He WANTS to save us. The way I see it, is that He’s not looking for a reason, or excuse, to damn us, so that if we slip up just once, we’re hellbound, but He’s looking for a reason to save us, so that He takes our feeblest efforts in His direction and honors them with a response on His part, and saves us.

He knows we’re not perfect and we never will be, but as Psalm 103 says, He does not treat us according to our sins or repay us according to our iniquities and He knows our frame and remembers that we are dust and He shows us GREAT compassion.

When I was a Catholic, I never felt like God really wanted to save me, but it was more like an obligation on His part. If I did X, Y, and Z, then He HAD to save me. Since the God that the RCC presented was one who was so capricious and intolerant and impatient with our short comings, you had to be just about perfect to even think you had a chance of making it.

When my kids were little and disobeyed, it never even crossed my mind to disown them and make them come groveling back to me doing works to *prove* to me how sorry they were. Yes, I was grieved and disappointed by their rebellion, but they were still my children and I loved them anyway. A Father’s heart is not one to throw the child under the bus anytime they slipped up. Or even willfully sinned on occasion.

What a joy and what freedom to come to know the God of the Bible, the one full of compassion and mercy and grace, who understands when we slip, even when we throw our spiritual temper tantrums and deliberately sin, He and forgives us anyway.

THAT is security.


55 posted on 10/27/2015 3:59:32 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
"...even when we throw our spiritual temper tantrums and deliberately sin, He and forgives us anyway."

Amen.

Who will save us from this body of death?

Without that security,without that being persuaded that "He is able" the helmet of salvation may as well be made of tinfoil for all the good it will be protecting the mind.

When we consider what's coming upon the world,that peace of mind is going to be sorely tested!

1 Peter 1:13 (Amplified Bible) "So prepare your minds for action, be completely sober [in spirit—steadfast, self-disciplined, spiritually and morally alert], fix your hope completely on the grace [of God] that is coming to you when Jesus Christ is revealed."

Fix your hope COMPLETELY on His un-merited favour!

56 posted on 10/27/2015 5:50:23 AM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure:for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: metmom; mitch5501
What a joy and what freedom to come to know the God of the Bible, the one full of compassion and mercy and grace, who understands when we slip, even when we throw our spiritual temper tantrums and deliberately sin, He and forgives us anyway.

As time passes by, I become ever more aware of just how far short I fall, and how unworthy I am of any favor of God. Yes, it is true, who will deliver us from this body of death? I don't think Heaven will be filled with good people. I think it will be filled with bad people. People who were so bad, they recognized their lost state, and fled to the savior for protection.

57 posted on 10/27/2015 7:35:29 AM PDT by Mark17 (Heaven, where the only thing there that's been made by man are the scars in the hands of Jesus)
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