Posted on 10/16/2015 2:22:11 PM PDT by markomalley
"...freedom is exalted almost to the point of idolatry — lead to a "creative" understanding of moral conscience, which diverges from the teaching of the Church's tradition and her Magisterium".
St. Pope John Paul II
Archbishop Blase Cupich is canonically, a material heretic. Today, in his reply to a question from LifeSiteNews he gave a reply that stands condemned by the Church. Vox Cantoris carries a full report and ask some very, very serious questions about the Archbishop of Chicago. I shall ask my own: just who is this man?
From St. Pope John Paul II's Veritatis Splendor:
55. ...In their desire to emphasize the "creative" character of conscience, certain authors no longer call its actions "judgments" but "decisions" : only by making these decisions "autonomously" would man be able to attain moral maturity. Some even hold that this process of maturing is inhibited by the excessively categorical position adopted by the Church's Magisterium in many moral questions; for them, the Church's interventions are the cause of unnecessary conflicts of conscience.
56. In order to justify these positions, some authors have proposed a kind of double status of moral truth. Beyond the doctrinal and abstract level, one would have to acknowledge the priority of a certain more concrete existential consideration. The latter, by taking account of circumstances and the situation, could legitimately be the basis of certain exceptions to the general rule and thus permit one to do in practice and in good conscience what is qualified as intrinsically evil by the moral law. A separation, or even an opposition, is thus established in some cases between the teaching of the precept, which is valid in general, and the norm of the individual conscience, which would in fact make the final decision about what is good and what is evil. On this basis, an attempt is made to legitimize so-called "pastoral" solutions contrary to the teaching of the Magisterium, and to justify a "creative" hermeneutic according to which the moral conscience is in no way obliged, in every case, by a particular negative precept.
No one can fail to realize that these approaches pose a challenge to the very identity of the moral conscience in relation to human freedom and God's law. Only the clarification made earlier with regard to the relationship, based on truth, between freedom and law makes possible a discernment concerning this "creative" understanding of conscience.
I was assigned Archbishop Bruno Forte as my bishop to pray for by www.adoptasynodfather.org. I’ve been praying specifically for his conversion.
I guess I have to start praying for Cupich’s conversion, too, especially since he’s the bishop of my diocese.
There’s just not enough time to pray for everything/everybody that needs praying for.
Any particular reason why the question to Abp. Cupich and his replay were not posted?
What exactly does this mean in plain english?
It was no accident that the Pontifical John Paul II Institute For Studies on Marriage and the Family was ignored when invitations were sent out for last year's Extraordinary Synod. It's no accident that Veritatis Splendor has barely received a mention in the preparatory documents for this Synod and in the official summaries of the proceedings. It's because VS puts a dagger right through the heart of this heretical nonsense.
Ah the irony. Calling another a heretic for not following the teaching of someone who made a habit of praying with heretics, apostates and schismatics.....something condemned by the Catholic Church itself.
It is posted. No need to search.
In the body of the article above there is this sentence and a link:
Vox Cantoris carries a full report and ask some very, very serious questions about the Archbishop of Chicago
Rather than reposting Cupich's words, the author provided you with a link to them.
That would be Saint John Paul II?
Rather than getting into a discussion on the correct definitions of "heretic" and "schismatic" and "apostate", I'll simply provide you with a pre-Vatican II quotation:
"It is known to Us and to You that they who are in invincible ignorance concerning our religion but observe the natural law . . . and are ready to obey God and lead an honest and righteous life, can, with the help of Divine light and grace, attain to eternal life . . . for God . . . will not allow any one to be eternally punished who is not wilfully guilty."
Who said that?
Thanks, Mark.
That quote has nothing to do with the fact that it was condemned pre-Vatican II to pray with heretics and the like. I do understand that post-Vatican II it’s all about False Kumbaya Ecumenism.
Yes, “Saint” (who was it that canonized him again? Oh, that’s right the non-Catholic “pope” leading the Sin-od....Francis) JPII had a habit of praying with heretics and the like (Assisi!). And here we are using his teachings to call another a heretic.
Ironic indeed.
Throw Veritatis Splendor in the trash?
If you click on the link in the article at the top of the thread and go to the Vox Cantoris web site, you'll find this highlighted (I'm cutting and pasting here):
Archbishop Blase Cupich of Chicago — who is participating in the Synod of the Family at Pope Francis’ personal invitation — said at a press scrum in the Vatican press office this afternoon that the conscience is "inviolable" and that he believes divorced and remarried couples could be permitted to receive the sacraments, if they have "come to a decision" to do so "in good conscience"....
When asked by LifeSiteNews if the notion of accompanying people to the sacraments who had a clear indication of conscience to do so also applied to gay couples in the Church who wish to receive Communion, Cupich indicated an affirmative answer.
“I think that gay people are human beings too and they have a conscience. And my role as a pastor is to help them to discern what the will of God is by looking at the objective moral teaching of the Church and yet, at the same time, helping them through a period of discernment to understand what God is calling them to at that point,” he said. “It’s for everybody. I think that we have to make sure that we don’t pigeonhole one group as though they are not part of the human family, as though there’s a different set of rules for them. That would be a big mistake.”
I'm not seeing your problem.
Participation in non-Catholic religious services has always been considered unlawful but that's not the same as "praying" is it? Saying a prayer with a non-Catholic has never been proscribed has it?
Furthermore, the Church has always distinguished between formal and material heresy, which is why the "invincible ignorance" mentioned in the quote becomes important. I can't see how those with whom JPII prayed can be considered formal heretics, or apostates.
We can argue about whether Assisi was wise but I doubt it was illicit.
This isn't a formal court of law. It's a discussion forum.
By one click of a mouse you can find the words you seek.
Why you'd get so worked up about having to make that single click, escapes me.
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