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1 posted on 10/07/2015 2:02:53 PM PDT by NYer
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Catholic ping!


2 posted on 10/07/2015 2:03:13 PM PDT by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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To: NYer

Very happy that for the past 28 years I have been regularly attending a real mass at a Sedevacantist chapel.

You can have the ‘new religion’ that was formed subsequent to Vatican II.

This present evil one who some think is a true pope is nothing more or less than Satan’s disciple whose goal, as were those phonies subsequent to Pius XII, is to ruin Christ’s Church on earth. It’s been a howling success.


3 posted on 10/07/2015 2:10:19 PM PDT by HomerBohn (Liberals and slinkies: they're good for nothing, but you smile as you shove them down the stairs.)
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To: NYer

The schism already happened with Vatican II’s new religion. All we’re seeing now is further fracturing.


4 posted on 10/07/2015 2:10:40 PM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: NYer

The freak show is so incredibly eager to break the ‘monster’ they see the Catholic church into smaller chunks (and thus easier to defeat...)

Of course, where this anything other than the protected special people of the LGBTQwhateverelsegoeshere community, it would likely be called an anti-Hispanic racist movement.

Seriously, why do so many people go out of their way to bend over for these freaks?


5 posted on 10/07/2015 2:11:50 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: NYer
The answer for cafeteria Catholics is not to leave the Church. Instead, the answer is for those with difficulties to work through them, for those with doubts to develop a curious and affirming attitude to Church teaching, and for those who dissent to pray for a change in their hearts and minds so they might come at last to the place where they can joyfully assent to the fullness of the Catholic faith.

The dissenters don't pray for that, but for a change in the heart and mind of the Catholic faith. I'd rather see them leave the Church than remain as a cancer.

7 posted on 10/07/2015 2:13:15 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (a "guest worker" is a stateless person with no ties to any community, only to his paymaster)
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To: NYer

This should be fun.


10 posted on 10/07/2015 2:15:34 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

Martin Luther was Right.


14 posted on 10/07/2015 2:33:14 PM PDT by Paladin2 (my non desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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To: NYer
"In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End.”

Irish St. Malachy predicted Pope Francis will be last pope

20 posted on 10/07/2015 2:48:17 PM PDT by amorphous
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So which one would be THE one true, true church?


21 posted on 10/07/2015 2:50:00 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: NYer

they always forget the Eastern Church, so please read “And Eastern Rites” into the Traditionalist column...


22 posted on 10/07/2015 2:52:31 PM PDT by redhead (NO GROUND TO THE DEVIL! Remember BENGHAZI!! Use Weaponized Pr ayer)
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To: NYer

Take this with a grain of salt from a leftist professor.

Daniel Maguire of Marquette University, whose own college president admitted that the theologian’s views are “not totally consonant with Catholic teaching.”

The noble traditions of Judaism – ...
www.sacredchoices.org, 4 Aug 2014 [cached]
The noble traditions of Judaism – stressing justice for the downtrodden – are being soiled by the endless cruelties that Israel and its current leaders heap on the Palestinians, including the latest slaughter of more than 1,700 Gazans, many of them children, a moral catastrophe addressed by theologian Daniel C. Maguire.

In the spring of 2007, Daniel C. Maguire was condemned by U.S. bishops for his progressive writings, because, the New York Times reported, Maguire’s pamphlets on abortion and same-sex marriage “are written in a very popular and lively style, and from what the bishops knew, they were very widely distributed. Praised by Ms.magazine as one of “40 male heroes who took a chance for women,” Maguire is a noted theologian and ethicist whose controversial views and irreverent style have rankled conservatives for nearly thirty years. In this pithy guide to progressive Catholicism, Maguire shows how tragically far conservative Catholic politics have strayed from the best Catholic social teaching.
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Daniel C. Maguire is Professor of Moral Theological Ethics at Marquette University and the president of the Religious Consultation on Population, Reproductive Health, and Ethics. His writing has appeared in the New York Times, The Atlantic Monthly and USA Today, and he has written several books, including Sacred Choices: The Right to Contraception and Abortion in Ten World Religions. He lives in Wisconsin.


26 posted on 10/07/2015 3:12:11 PM PDT by ADSUM
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To: NYer

No, there are Catholics and then there are those who claim the affiliation but are quite willing to denounce essential elements of the faith.

It is one thing to fall short of living up to those essential elements, and quite another matter to denounce them.


27 posted on 10/07/2015 3:17:19 PM PDT by G Larry (Vote Hillary! Pro-Abortion Socialist)
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The jury is still out as to whether the Society of St. Pius X is formally in schism, but as traditionalists who reject the Novus Ordo Mass and the authority of the Second Vatican Council, they’re high on the list.

Such drivel. SSPX (unlike Gregory of Narek, Francis' new "Doctor of the Church") has never been in schism.

30 posted on 10/07/2015 3:22:32 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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Daniel Maguire of Marquette may be a theologian of some sort but that sort is certainly not Roman Catholic regardless of his own long ago baptism and that of his now dead ancestors. Maguire has been a gross embarrassment for decades now and ought to have been formally excommunicated long ago for his publicly expressed infernal views on many matters Catholic and particularly on sexual morality.

When a Maguire writes as he has in this cited article, it is to set up false claims of moral equivalence between Catholics OTOH and pro-aborts, pro-sexual perversion folks, advocates of the "rights" of the divorced and remarried without annulment as though they were not divorced and remarried without annulment.

Maguire's modus operandi is to claim that pro-aborts, for example, are every bit as Catholic as members of the somewhat schismatic SSPX and SSPV, as two examples. I have made no secret of my own opposition to SSPX and SSPV as schismatic groups both of which reject the promise of Jesus Christ to be with HIS Church all days to the end of the world and pretentiously claim to be that church as opposed to the actual Roman Catholic Church HQ'd in the Vatican. Even I do not share Maguire's pretension that his favirite deviations from Catholic Truth are no more serious deviations than the somewhat innocent matters of liturgical taste that govern SSPX and SSPV.

God has protected his Church from popes far more foolish or negligent than Pope Francis. Alexander VI (Borgia) comes immediately to mind but there are numerous others.

What Maguire calls "Magisterial" Catholics are Catholics who mostly attend the Novus Ordo vernacular language Masses of the post-Vatican II era, accept the magisterial teachings of the Church and have a preference for music at Mass which does not praise pagan godesses like Gaia, secular economists like Marx or Lenin, but rather is rooted in the exceptionally high quality liturgical music of pre-Vatican II happy memory not the modern hootenanny festivals which afflict "progressive" venues. They believe in seven sacraments, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass even in a low rent liturgy but are recognizably Catholic in all respects.

As to "progressive""Catholicism," bear in mind that, untreated, cancer and tuberculosis and Alzheimers' are also "progressive" diseases as corrosive to the body as "progressive""Catholicism" is to the well-being of one's soul.

In Traditional circles, we have longed joked that the Third Secret of Fatima, given by Our Lady in 1917 to Lucia Santos, Francesco Marto and Jacinta Marto was: Whatever the Church may do in the future, do NOT hold a Council!

If any person who claims Catholicism agrees with Maguire that we need "diversity" of opinion WITHIN the Church and internal debate and similar heretical nonsense, that person should obtain a copy of Pope St. Pius X's brilliant encyclical Pascendi Domenici Gregis (On the Errors of the Modernists) defining the Modernist heresy as "the synthesis of all heresies" (published September 8, 1907) and its accompanying Lamentabile Sane, a Syllabus of Errors of the Modernists (published July 3, 1907), two documents of blazing clarity which make clear to any reader what "progressive""Catholicism" actually is, always has been and always will be: Heresy!

Those "Catholic" "churches" claiming Apostolic Succession through the Utrecht line of ecclesiastical rebellion have a name already and it is NOT Catholic. They are heretics, whatever their liturgy may be similar to, no matter what actual Catholic beliefs they may retain in some shadow form. They reject papal authority outright, reject papal infallibility as defined by Vatican I and solemnized as dogma by Pope Pius IX. They play at being "make believe" Catholic, a proposition toward which their common heresy gives the lie.

Catholic doctrine and dogma is not a do it yourself hobby, as we Catholics well understand.

31 posted on 10/07/2015 3:26:54 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline: Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society/Rack 'em Danno!)
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No....the Eastern schism many moons ago, will be resolved one of these days and the two will be as one again. The Church is universal and eternal, they need not hurry to do anything, they have until the end of time to preach their Gospel and so far, for 2,015 years, it has worked pretty well. When Christ promised to be with the Catholic church until the end of time, He wasn’t kidding.


36 posted on 10/07/2015 3:53:10 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVER ALL..)
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More likely that there will be a continuing and increased leakage of Catholics into four non-Roman Catholic groups:

Agnosticism
Evangelicalism
Traditionalist Protestantism (e.g., neo-Anglicanism)
Eastern Orthodoxy

38 posted on 10/07/2015 3:58:07 PM PDT by cookcounty ("I was a Democrat until I learned to count" --Maine Gov. Paul LePage)
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I could be wrong, because I couldn’t stand to read it all, but I didn’t see Longenecker ever mentioning that the “progressive,” Nancy-Pelosi-type “Catholics” are fanatically pro-abortion. The code-words for that are that they “care passionately about the marginalized, blah blah blah.”


50 posted on 10/07/2015 7:09:26 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (Beau Biden's funeral, attended by Bp. Malooly, Card. McCarrick, and Papal Nuncio, Abp. Vigano.)
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We really need some more of these Protestant denominations created, because we're running a little low in them right now...

:-)

53 posted on 10/07/2015 8:02:21 PM PDT by Heart-Rest ( "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil!" Isaiah 5:20)
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I’m sure there is some spirited discussion on this thread.


66 posted on 10/08/2015 5:51:24 AM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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I don’t think the Catholic Church is going to break up into three groups since the problems within it are nothing compared to how bad it was in the past that triggered the Protestant and Anglican splits.

In the Philippines, it also faces different pressures due to the personal preferences and practices of its members, but these are satisfied by groups like the El Shaddai, Couples for Christ, and Light of Jesus Community, which have prevented millions of Catholics from leaving the faith, by incorporating the practices that have made Evangelicalism so attractive.


71 posted on 10/08/2015 1:18:06 PM PDT by Raymond Pamintuan
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