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To: piusv

Looks like I’m even more cynical than you! The so-called Ordinary Universal Magisterium is pretty much a product of Vatican II and its claim to infallibility wasn’t proclaimed infallibly then and certainly, in view of its late appearance, hardly carries the weight of such erstwhile traditions as the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption (which, of course, were later proclaimed ex cathedra).

On the false-religion comment, I tend to agree with you if the statement is in true context. Years of trying to see God’s will or just plain good in any part of VatII have forced me to try to justify what came of it in pre VatII outlooks and arguments. It’s a survival thing, I guess.


17 posted on 10/08/2015 2:02:56 PM PDT by Mach9
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To: Mach9
The so-called Ordinary Universal Magisterium is pretty much a product of Vatican II

What are you talking about?? The OUM has always been considered infallible. This has always been Catholic teaching.

18 posted on 10/08/2015 2:11:06 PM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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To: Mach9
Years of trying to see God’s will or just plain good in any part of VatII have forced me to try to justify what came of it in pre VatII outlooks and arguments. It’s a survival thing, I guess.

Absolutely understand. Did you live through the changes?

19 posted on 10/08/2015 2:12:36 PM PDT by piusv (The Spirit of Christ hasn't refrained from using separated churches as means of salvation:VII heresy)
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