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Them Whores of Babylon ain't the ONLY ones HATED!!!
Posted on 08/25/2015 6:45:11 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
“Hatred of Catholicism unites 99% of all Christian denominations in the world. Lutherans are the only protestants I can think of that don’t damn Catholics to hell. Pentecostals are the worse.”
Two thoughts for you FRiend
1. I believe historically your denomination condemned others to hell.
2. No one goes to hell based on what church they belong to. Why worry what anyone other than Christ thinks?
And here’s a bonus one...
3. What do you think about any group that claims the Name of Someone Who forewarned to expect persecution and welcome it... But then complains when His words come true? This seems ironic. No?
What are you doing making sense like that in the face of an irrational persecution complex?
True, as per the CCC and various councils and papal statements. And the statements of certain Catholics on this forum. I have been told that very thing by FRoman Catholics.
2. No one goes to hell based on what church they belong to. Why worry what anyone other than Christ thinks?
Well, um, you see........
3. What do you think about any group that claims the Name of Someone Who forewarned to expect persecution and welcome it... But then complains when His words come true? This seems ironic. No?
Yes, but the devil is in the details......
I think that people who make martyrs of themselves have their reward.
Catholic girls start much too late
http://www.biblicalcatholic.com/apologetics/a137.htm
The number one Catholic-hating bigot in the country.
More MacArthur ignorance
From The Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood
MacArthur: “In the eyes of the priesthood there is an inherent uncleanness in marriage and it’s a hangover from that sort of Manichaean/Gnostic idea of the evil of the flesh. There’s an uncleanness in romantic desire. There’s an uncleanness in normal love. There’s something shameful in that. And the desire for procreation is somehow the enemy of spiritual devotion.”
Show me the official Catholic document (Catechism, etc) that there is an inherent uncleanness in marriage and we have a Manichean/Gnostic idea of the evil of the flesh, that the desire for procreation is the enemy of spiritual devotion. Where does he get that one?
Should be easy to do, right? Produce the Catholic teaching and official document on those (Catechism specifically).
MacArthur: “You know, I really...my heart goes out to priests. They are...they are literally, I think they are literally in many cases sexual time bombs, it’s only a question of when it’s going to go. That group of people in themselves has such a warped view of marriage because they’re so fixated on the sexual aspect of it. They think marriage is all about sex and procreating little Catholics.”
Show me the official Catholic document that “marriage is all about sex and procreating little Catholics.” Yes, in those exact words. Two books on the history of celibacy:
The Case for Clerical Celibacy: Its Historical Development and Theological Foundation by Alfons Maria Cardinal Stickler (Ignatius Press, 1995)
The Apostolic Origins of Priestly Celibacy by Christian Cochini (Ignatius Press, 1990)
From my Da Vinci Code article: The Bible states Jesus is spiritually married as the bridegroom to His Church, called “the Bride of Christ” (Eph 5:20-33; cf. Matt 25:1ff; Rev 21:2,9; 22:17). That is at least one good theological reason why Jesus remained single and celibate: He is married to His Church, and loves Her as a husband loves his wife. Other examples of single and celibate Jews and prophets include John the Baptist, Jeremiah the prophet, Moses probably after his encounter with God, the Essene community at Qumran, the great St. Paul the Apostle, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the mother of Jesus, according to Catholics and Orthodox Christians, etc. Jesus Himself said some become eunuchs (virgins or celibates) for the sake of the kingdom of God (Matthew 19:10-12). St. Paul argues in 1 Corinthians 7 it is sometimes better to remain single as he himself was; in 1 Corinthians 9 he mentions other apostles having wives, but never mentions Jesus having a wife when it would have been greatly advantageous to his argument.
Jesus’ celibacy is in fact the basis for the celibacy of the Catholic priesthood. MacArthur forgets that. Or does MacArthur (like Dan Brown) think Jesus was married?
Here’s a nice one, same article again MacArthur: “There’s the scandal of an aberrant, unbiblical bizarre pagan theology of the priesthood and the Mass. There’s the scandal of the power and the grasping materialism of a satanic religious system that wants to engulf the earth.”
That’s nice. Yes this is a conclusion, not a statement of Catholic doctrine. But can you please show me where he gets the idea the priesthood and the Mass comes from paganisn and is satanic. Aside from The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop, Jack Chick comic books, or Dave Hunt’s Whore of Babylon nonsense, I don’t know where you’d get that.
Again, read JND Kelly’s Early Christian Doctrines, and Jaroslav Pelikan’s The Christian Tradition, and my article on the Eucharist.
MacArthur thinks, in the order I have provided them:
Catholic salvation is works/righteousness;
that no Catholic priest can be saved; that God and Jesus are “tough guys” so we should go to Mary in prayer;
that we teach the “virgin birth of Mary”;
that our teaching on “pastoral work is not comfort and care and compassion”;
that papal infallibility means the Pope “never makes a mistake”;
that heretics and schismatics and immoral people are “absorbed” (his term);
that there is “an inherent uncleanness” in marriage and we have a “Manichean/Gnostic idea of the evil of the flesh”;
that “the desire for procreation is the enemy of spiritual devotion”;
that we have a “warped view of marriage” and that we “think marriage is all about sex and procreating little Catholics”;
that the priesthood and the Mass is “an aberrant, unbiblical bizarre pagan theology”;
that Catholicism is a “satanic religious system.”
These are from just two articles (JUST TWO!) here:
The Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood by John MacArthur (2002), version 1
AND
The Scandal of the Catholic Priesthood by John MacArthur (2002), version 2 (does not contain the “virgin birth of Mary” they cleaned it up)
AND
GTY tape, GC 1301-X, titled “Bible Questions and Answers” Part 26
Excellent essay. True. All the bluster about freedom from religion and Bible-free public schools are triggered by one thing: fear of Catholicism.
It is also true that no one is saved outside the church, just as no animal was saved outside of Noah’s ark.
America’s biggest virtue is a warm hearted welcoming on inclusiveness. As as result, the exclusivity of Catholicism is repulsive to big hearted Americans.
I say, Get over it. Catholicism is analogous to Noah’s ark, according to St. Peter and St. Thomas. The Lord is King, let the earth rejoice, and always place flowers on an altar for Mary, since one day of her suffering was more intense than all others’ sufferings combined. Poor lady. She suffers today because people reject Noah, reject St. Peter, reject St. Thomas, reject her, reject true freedom and reject the King of Kings.
Ok. I shall step off my soap box.
Plenty of non-Catholics have been hated and are still hated for their faith. I’ve experienced it personally. Imagine how lovely it is at a family gathering to be called “that d@mn Baptist” by my Catholic relatives. Or have my evangelistic efforts in high school curtailed by a secularist principal. There’s more, but I’m certainly not alone. Jack Phillips, the Chrisitian man in Colorado who is being hounded out of his business making cakes because he won’t compromise on gay marriage, attends a Southern Baptist church.
So the idea that Catholics are the only ones being picked on is false on its face. I knew some Jehovah’s Witnesses who felt the same way about their faith. I don’t agree with either Catholics or JWs on a number of extremely important issues. But it would be just crazy to imagine that militant secularists, Muslims, and other such outfits would be friendly to any Jews or Christians or any of their offshoots. They hate all of us without distinction. That’s just the way it is, and if Shoebat can’t accept that, he’s just not living in the real world.
BTW, I know how the persecution game works. I learned it from the JWs. A group claims the mantle of persecution as a sign they are the one true group against all others. But it doesn’t work, because Satan isn’t working against particular denominations. He’s working to make the exercise of any faith in God impossible. There are no denominational boundaries in the spiritual world.
BTW, posting a thread like this that seems perfectly suited to inciting a fight between evangelicals and Catholics is probably counter to godly and thoughtful conversation, and is also probably a violation of the anti-flame-baiting policy recently instituted by Jim Robinson. If I am wrong about that, I submit to the judgment of those who have the rule here. But that is my opinion nonetheless.
Peace,
SR
But remember the problem was in posting anti-Catholic things EVERY day.
That is one view of the problem. Walk a mile in our moccasins and see how it looks then.
Peace,
SR
As a Catholic I have walked in the moccasins of someone being ridiculed and put down many times. From my childhood to my present days.
All I can do for these people is pray for them.
It’s not my favorite. It’s also not slander to point out when someone is lying.
It still happens here on FR!
Them Whores of Babylon ain't the ONLY ones HATED!!!
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After the pope’s pro-illegal, “green”, anti-income equality visit to the US next fall, this issue may grow worse.
Oh the loud cries that emanate from those that paper cuts are killing.
Well said; Brother!!
"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours." — Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)
Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema. — Vatican 1, Ses. 4, Cp. 1
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Heat the oil hotter!
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