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OSV.com ^ | August 7, 2015 | Msgr. Charles Pope

Posted on 08/08/2015 7:49:56 AM PDT by Salvation

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An interesting analogy.
1 posted on 08/08/2015 7:49:56 AM PDT by Salvation
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Monsignor Pope’s OSV column Ping!


2 posted on 08/08/2015 7:52:36 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Not trying to be contentious but the analogy is flawed. It is true that aviation has progressed amazingly but the apostles, with their “cloth airplane religion” healed the sick and raised the dead.

It seems the churches have regressed away from the signs, wonders, and miracles that were manifested in the days of the early church.
JMHO

3 posted on 08/08/2015 8:06:19 AM PDT by Know et al (Keep on Freepin'!!!)
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There are many signs, wonders, and miracles. People just refuse to believe them.


4 posted on 08/08/2015 8:11:33 AM PDT by JPII Be Not Afraid
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That's true. I wish I saw more of the miracles in the churches today.
5 posted on 08/08/2015 8:17:31 AM PDT by Know et al (Keep on Freepin'!!!)
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That reminds me of a story told of St. Francis of Assisi.

Back in the early 1200's, Francis went to Rome to petition Pope Innocent III to approve of his religious order. The Pope took pleasure in showing 'Il Poverello' (Francis' nickname: 'The Little Poor Man') some of the beautiful churches of Rome, pausing at one point to look at a splendid painting which portrayed the dramatic moment when St. Peter healed the crippled man at Acts 3:6.

Pope Innocent remarked, "Peter said, 'Silver and gold have I none'; but of course as Peter's Successor I can hardly say that now!"

Francis replied quietly, "... and neither can you say, 'In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, arise and walk.'"

Precisely.

There are still healings and miracles --- exorcisms, too --- in the Catholic Church. There always have been, in every century. The healing miracles seem, historically, to intensify at the very times when Satan is most challenging the Church. I expect we'll be coming into another Season of Miracles very soon -- very soon indeed.

6 posted on 08/08/2015 9:13:56 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: Know et al

Do you know the many miracles of Our Lady of Guadalupe?


7 posted on 08/08/2015 9:25:22 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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As you consider the Catholic Church is made up of saints and sinners, I feel that the Catholic Church has contributed significantly to society (hospitals, universities, St Vincent de Paul Society, etc) with the teachings of Jesus and showing us the way to Heaven.

Perhaps we don’t need the curing of the sick and the raising of the dead as Jesus and the Apostles did. Our mission is to teach and baptize so that all will join God in Heaven. That is the true miracle. Yes much work needs to be done. Actually, I believe there is significant curing of disease through prayer that is just not reported.

The greatest miracle is our ability to receive God in the Holy Eucharist.


8 posted on 08/08/2015 10:49:46 AM PDT by ADSUM
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I was not indicting any church. I was just pointing out a flaw with the analogy. No offense intended.
9 posted on 08/08/2015 12:55:10 PM PDT by Know et al (Keep on Freepin'!!!)
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I was not saying there were no miracles. If that is what you got from my post, I gave you the wrong impression.

I know there are miracles today. I am one of them.

I was saying the analogy could have been better presented.

If I offended, I apologize.

10 posted on 08/08/2015 12:59:40 PM PDT by Know et al (Keep on Freepin'!!!)
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Please read my post again. I was referring to the analogy, not any church.

I have told my niece many times, be careful what you post on the internet. People easily misinterpret what you post.

Well, I guess I have to follow my own advice.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone.

11 posted on 08/08/2015 1:08:32 PM PDT by Know et al (Keep on Freepin'!!!)
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Did you or did you not say this?

**It seems the churches have regressed away from the signs, wonders, and miracles that were manifested in the days of the early church.**


12 posted on 08/08/2015 1:27:44 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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No— no really, I wasn’t offended at all.


13 posted on 08/08/2015 1:30:17 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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Thanks Mrs. Don-o. I appreciate that.
14 posted on 08/08/2015 2:08:05 PM PDT by Know et al (Keep on Freepin'!!!)
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Yes, I did. But, what church in particular did I mention? It was a general expression. I don't see how you could have a problem with it.

Am I missing something?

15 posted on 08/08/2015 2:10:58 PM PDT by Know et al (Keep on Freepin'!!!)
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The original article was written by a Catholic — so I took your comment (even though it was plural) to mean you were talking about the Catholic Church.

Guess I missed your intention in your words.


16 posted on 08/08/2015 2:32:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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That's ok Salvation. No problem. I'm glad you see what I was expressing. I was only referring to the analogy not a church in particular.

If I had done that, I would have been wrong for sure.

To show you my good intentions, I do not have all the gifts, signs, wonders and miracles myself. So, I am not in any condition to impugn any church or person about manifestations.

Thanks for the reply FRiend.

17 posted on 08/08/2015 2:49:43 PM PDT by Know et al (Keep on Freepin'!!!)
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You are learning quickly that some have very, very, very thin skins on these boards.


18 posted on 08/08/2015 7:02:29 PM PDT by ealgeone
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The original article was written by a Catholic — so I took your comment (even though it was plural) to mean you were talking about the Catholic Church.

Guess I missed your intention in your words.

Perhaps you were practicing the very thing you love to accuse others of??

19 posted on 08/08/2015 7:03:57 PM PDT by ealgeone
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Your comment: “Perhaps you were practicing the very thing you love to accuse others of??”

I thought the discussion was very civil and all posters replied and came to understand the meaning of the comment in the post.

Why do you feel the need to twist the knife when it didn’t add to a better understanding of the post?


20 posted on 08/09/2015 9:13:35 AM PDT by ADSUM
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