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To: MHGinTN; Rashputin; metmom; RnMomof7
If one ever is Born from Above, it is immediately evident that ‘self and self alone’ is a specious accusation meant to ridicule by someone who hasn’t a clue what it means to be Born from Above, into God’s family via the Holy Spirit. Keep it up, you need the exposure.

Are you saying that you can tell who is "Born from above" and who isn't? Does this also include the ability to determine who is saved and who isn't as well?

I separated those two questions because some non-Catholics don't believe in the OSAS doctrine.

97 posted on 06/29/2015 5:34:53 PM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: verga
Being born from above and saved are the same phenomenon. When James wrote4 his Epistle he addressed discerning whether someone has saving faith by the behavior patterns they exhibit. There is a gift of the Holy Spirit that allows spiritual discern of the state of someone else. I don't have that gift, so I look at what James spoke of, the behavior patterns.

That said, when one is born from above that person knows it. It is what brings such personal joy, knowing that God has placed the earnest of their inheritance in them. God's Life really does come into the spirit of the born from above.

One personal phenomenon for the born from above is the amazing humility and worship that burbles up from the soul's depth when God's Spirit reveals some truth in the Scriptures to you. It resonates with your soul. It really can burst a dam of tears when the phenomenon occurs. I experienced that with studying the Feasts/God's Appointed Times of Israel.

Another interesting phenomenon is the spiritual lift a born from above gets when they are in the presence of someone close to God. I have experience that one with a particular Catholic Priest who I believe is indeed close to God's Heart. On rare occasions we might be praying earnestly for a particular person and God's Spirit will 'touch' your consciousness, sometimes with a vision of that person in real time, sometimes with a joy of their being alive in this age, and sometimes a sadness can wash over you. That happens at times when a person for whom you are praying earnestly dies while you are in prayer fro them, if they were not born from above, or a real sense of 'yipee' joy if they are a fellow member of God's family for they are home!

And one more, if you will allow, there is a real sense of 'well done' on the occasions when you happen to spontaneously help someone else and it brightens their day, there life. So, when someone you pray for gets born from above, God will give you a spiritual boost for being faithful and you rejoice at their eternal decision.

The Priest mentioned above, he not only believes in OSAS, he knows it as fact in his life. I have also known other Priests who are sadly unable to know that in their lives.

101 posted on 06/29/2015 5:56:25 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: verga; MHGinTN; RnMomof7
Are you saying that you can tell who is "Born from above" and who isn't? Does this also include the ability to determine who is saved and who isn't as well?

Hello. It's the same thing.

Someone who is born from above IS saved.

108 posted on 06/29/2015 6:58:23 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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