Posted on 06/29/2015 11:23:16 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Romans 3:1 Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the benefit of circumcision? 2 Great in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God.
No Catholics mentioned. Your issue seems to be with the Holy Spirit.
Yes, but how do we know which writings are truly Paul’s? There are some who question the Pauline authorship of Hebrews. How do we know that it is Scripture?
Do you deny that there was an office of apostle or the latter offices of bishops, presbyters and deacons?
There is God’s Living Word, His Eternal Truth, the Incorruptible Seed .... or there is the reasoning of men and his religion.
Choose wisely.
Paul is talking about the Old Testament. With the New Testament there is, as Paul said, no distinction between Jew and Greek. This also was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Again, the Gospels of Mark and Luke were written by non-Jews.
LOL Of course I do not deny the societal institution of ekklesia. There were five main centers for Bishoprics: Constantinople, Alexandria, Rome, Jerusalem and Antioch. There was no pope over these five until the schism and the appointing of Leo to be ‘the pope’ over the Western Bishoprics. In 445 the Emperor of the Roman Empire appointed Leo the ‘Primate of All Bishops’ and popery was born.
Peter called Paul’s writings scripture.
When?
I just recently learned this myself, but Peter does mention Paul’s epistles in 2 Peter 3:15-16:
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Peter called Paul's writing's..... wait for it.... writing's. That is the original meaning of the work "script" it means to write, or record.
The term scripture as something holy, came later. This is where knowledge of etymology comes in handy.
Let us put aside for the moment the question of the pope. Do you accept the authority of the gathered bishops in ecumenical councils?
You keep wanting to see only the societal institution. what did Jesus say is His Kingdom and where is it?
The lie that Self and Self Alone is the highest authority on the meaning of Scripture is in fact a lie that begs the question of just how that's any different than following Eve rather than Christ.
Not to mention the fact since Luther taught that everyone is just dung Christ will throw a blanket of righteousness over, Calvin taught that everyone is totally depraved, people who preach Self and Self Alone want others to accept what totally depraved dung heaps say rather than what's been the constant teaching of the Church Christ Himself founded for about 2000 years.
You are assuming I believe Constantine was a light switch, the pre-Constantine church one thing, the post-Constantine church suddenly something altogether other. I do not see it like that. I see the pre-Constantine church morphing into the Constantine one, the Papacy years later putting the finishing touches to the “morphing” process.
You assume the pre-Constantine ECF bishops are equivalent to the original church in the book of Acts. Acts 20:29, 30 would say otherwise. It proves it doesn’t take several hundred years for people to backslide from original truths: after Paul’s departing Ephesus, grievous wolves would enter in among them, of their own selves men would arise speaking perverse things to draw away disciples after them.
I see the Papacy representing the worst form of the “grievous wolves speaking perverse things” trend Paul warned about.
Main line Protestantism is more representative of the ECF. True Christians are more Berean than main line Protestants, going further in measuring Christian beliefs against the NT.
The Papacy? It is so far out in the Constantine-Roman-pagan weeds, it is not even funny, not even relevant.
If one ever is Born from Above, it is immediately evident that ‘self and self alone’ is a specious accusation meant to ridicule by someone who hasn’t a clue what it means to be Born from Above, into God’s family via the Holy Spirit. Keep it up, you need the exposure.
Not at all. But you want to deny the existence of a visible and hierarchical church that was established by Jesus and given the authority to teach in his name. Rather, you would be one of those condemned by the Council of Jerusalem who upset the churches and disturb their peace of mind by teaching without the mandate of the legitimate pastors of the church.
Greek - graphé - Definition: (a) a writing, (b) a passage of scripture; plur: the scriptures. [http://biblehub.com/greek/1124.htm]
Greek - graphé - used 51 times in the New Testament.
Matthew 21:4 Jesus said to them, "Did you never read in the Scriptures (graphé), 'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED, THIS BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone; THIS CAME ABOUT FROM THE LORD, AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES '?
Matthew 22:29 But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures (graphé) nor the power of God.
Matthew 26:54 But how then should the Scriptures (graphé) be fulfilled, that it must be so?”
Need I post them all? Peter called Paul's writings the same thing as Christ called scripture.
There are some who question all of scripture. There are some who change the words of scripture. Your "church" calls them scripture and you are to submit "will and intellect".
Ah so you question Christ? Christ did not cut a hunk of his flesh and catch the blood and said 'this is my body'. He took bread and wine representative of His body. 'literally'!!!!
That sort of selective garbage is absolute proof that Christ, knowing the hearts of men, left us an ongoing ordained priesthood with the athority they received from the Apostles to properly interpret Holy Scripture thereby protecting us from exactly the sort of dolts who He knew would selectively interpret Scripture to suit their Self and Self Alone the way Protestant doctrine says it should be interpreted to suit the Self.
This is what your church teaches you that the Words of Christ are 'selective garbage'? Well, hey, you will get your turn all by yourself to answer for what you choose to believe and what you choose to call selective garbage.
First Protestantism bows down and kisses the feet of anti-Christ, anti-Christian, Jewish Pharisees (the exact same Pharisees Christ Himself condemned), then Protestantism agrees with Eve that Self and Self Alone should interpret His Word to suit their Self.
Mark 13:23 (Christ speaking before your pappy's were ever conceived.)
But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Do you even know who the anti-Christ literally is? Christ did tell us.
Christ does not need a roman filtration system to be understood. Get over yourselves. The rot in your organization is top down and bottom up.
Christ started the Protestant movement, and they killed him for it.
Then when did the great apostasy actually occur? At what date did the beliefs and teachings of the early church become unreliable?
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