Taking his seat in the temple of God

triablogue ^ | December 10, 2014 | Steve Hayes

[RnMomof7]

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[CynicalBear]

Catholicism spins a deceitful web.

[tflabo]

Jesus dealt with the Pharisees and Sadducees of his era. Hypocrites and wolves in sheeps clothing looking and dressing outwardly devout but inside were prideful, unreptentant sinners But not all—e.g. Nicodemus.

[Mark17]

Catholicism spins a deceitful web.

Yes they do, along with the Mormons, JWs, and a host of others.

[HossB86]

Catholicism spins a deceitful web.

Indeed it does. Frighteningly so.

Hoss

[MHGinTN]

And that web has many filaments added over the ages. Like the changing of meaning by shifting one phrase in 2Thess2:3, to read ‘revolt’ in the Rheims bible. It had been The Departure in the first five or six bibles, until the Rheims bible changed it to read ‘a revolt’. The definite article was changed, the meaning of the word ‘apostasia’ was changed from departure to revolt, and presto, the catholics condemn the reformation. Then the Protestants repeat the error but change it slightly to take the sting our of the catholic rebuke, calling it ‘a falling away’ in the King James bible. Interesting how God has been able to use even these changes.

[Tucker39]

Kwestion: Who is this Steve Hayes? Might he be the Steve Hayes on Brett Baer’s 6:30 P.M. panel on Fox Evening News? I salute him for posting this.

[Campion]

I’m surprised you aren’t delighted that there are people within the highest ranks of the Catholic Church who hate her as much as you do.

[Campion]

This goes way back. It started with Judas Iscariot.

Doesn't it cause you pause that Satan is desperate to infiltrate the Catholic Church with his own soldiers, and desperate to mock the (supposedly "blasphemous") Mass with a ritual dedicated to exalting him?

The Presbyterians aren't nearly as interesting to him. In fact, they seem not to be interesting to him at all.

Why do you suppose that is?

[CynicalBear]

I’m thinking you have a lot of surprises coming.

[caww]

Pope Francis Blazing a trail in defiance of God.....

One could easily say...Who is schooling Who? "Who's submitting here????

Francis ..'took off his shoes...' as he entered the huge mosque before ...'bowing his head facing Mecca in prayer..." standing next to Istanbul’s Grand Mufti Rahmi Yaran.

God tells us that ...."the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and..." I do not want you to be participants with demons". .....You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. (I Cor 10:20)

The Vatican City spokesman described it as a gesture of inter-religious 'harmony' and a joint moment of silent adoration of God.

God tells us ..."What 'harmony 'is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?....Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?" (2nd Cor. 6)

[CynicalBear]

Well said! The Catholic Church aligning itself with Muslims and Catholics aligning themselves with the Catholic Church.

[caww]

[metmom]

Traditionally, Protestants identified the papacy with the Antichrist.

Well, considering what this current pope is up to, it looks like they nailed it, much to the dismay of Catholics everywhere.

Heck, THEY'RE even beginning to suspect it.

You know it's bad then.

So it looks like we *Prots* were right about something after all. Must be a bitter pill for all those Catholics to swallow.

[MHGinTN]

satan is not desperate, he is served in every catholic Eucharist, by insisting the literal blood of Jesus is in the cup offered by the catholic priests. In this absolute violation of God's Command to not eat the blood, not drink the blood for the LIFE is in the blood, the blood to be spread upon the Mercy Seat not trickled down Campion’s throat, in this ritual satan has catholics mocking God every time they have a Eucharist.

[sasportas]

Slipping in a pretrib rapture on a thread that is about the antichrist taking his seat in the temple of God?

No apologist for the RCC, but we can’t lay this one on them. When they put “revolt” in the Rheims, it wasn’t an innovation. No commentary on this verse by anybody in church history, prior to the Rheims, understood “apostasia” to mean anything else.

Take Justin Martyr for example, he called the man of sin in verse 4, who would sit in the temple of God shewing himself God, “the man of apostasy.” Similarly, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Hippolytus, Cyprian, Lactantius, Victorinus. They knew the Greek well! Yet not a one of these noted scholars interpreted “apostasia” to mean a pretrib “departure.”

You don’t even have to be a scholar to see what the word meant. The context literally bristles with proof of what Paul intended “apostasia” to mean. The man of the “apostasia” would oppose all that is called God - sounds like a revolt, or rebellion, against God to me. “That wicked” in verse 8, a man of “strong delusion” in verse 11, deceiving the world that they should believe “the” lie, he being that lie.

Enter MHGinTN, some 2,000 years later, to correct Paul, Justin Martyr, etc. “No, no, no, you are all wrong,” he tells us, we are supposed to understand “apostasia” to mean a pretrib rapture.

Incredible, I tell ‘ya, what hoops pretribs will jump through to push their pretrib rapture.

[sasportas]

So it looks like we *Prots* were right about something after all. Must be a bitter pill for all those Catholics to swallow. I remember it well. We were inundated with thread after thread here on the RF, Catholics exalting this Pope to the max, while a great many of us non-Catholics, including myself, warning that this man was a Marxist deceiver of the first order.

[huldah1776]

the word apostasia is also used in Acts 21:21. I don’t know which word but the context is very clear.

Also, for all Christians in all churches, Satan is in each. I believe 2 Thes 2:3 is disregarded by the pre-trib theory, interesting enough, and may in fact be the cause of the loss of faith due to the resurrection of the dead and the return of the Messiah not occurring until after the anti-messiah proclaims he is god.

[MHGinTN]

You asserted, “No commentary on this verse by anybody in church history, prior to the Rheims, understood “apostasia” to mean anything else.” But the previous Bibles ALL translated apostasia as THE Departure. IF you read the passages prior to and the passages following verse 3, you will see the meaning of the apostasia Paul wrote of. Do I really need to post those following passages to align your vision?