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As Synod Council Meets, 'Shadow Council' Pushes Acceptance of Gay Unions
Catholic News Agency ^ | 5/26/15

Posted on 05/26/2015 8:15:08 PM PDT by marshmallow

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21 posted on 05/27/2015 11:48:56 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Doctrine doesn't change. The trick is to find a way around it.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I think you are imposing a subversive ideological tendency to my words (and the words of Scripture?) --- an intent to minimize the moral depravity of homosexual copulation --- where there is no such intent.

Then you are mistaken. In case you were unaware, the Church teaches that the Sins Which Cry Out to Heaven for Vengeance are the following: murder, sodomy, oppression of the poor, and defrauding workers of their just wages. However, your post #11 falsely conflates "Sins Which Cry Out to Heaven for Vengeance" with pride, satiation, etc. Such a false conflation relativizes the sin of sodomy. Again, please refer to Genesis 19. God's words and actions demonstrate that in His mind, there is a clear distinction between sodomy and other sins.

"And the Lord rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven." Gen 19:24

22 posted on 05/28/2015 3:32:37 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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"In case you were unaware, the Church teaches that the Sins Which Cry Out to Heaven for Vengeance are the following: murder, sodomy, oppression of the poor, and defrauding workers of their just wages."

In case you were not aware, those are the very ones I listed at #14

There's this:

  1. Scripture. Tells you what the Sin of Sodom is.
  2. Scripture. Tells you what the Sins that Cry Out to Heaven are.
  3. The Sins that Cry out to Heaven include:
    • Shedding of Innocent Blood(Gen 4:10)
    • The Sin of Sodom (Gen 18:20-21, Ezekiel 16:48-51)
    • Oppression of the Poor (Ex 2:23-25)
    • Defrauding Workers of a Just Wage (James 5:4).

"--- an intent to minimize the moral depravity of homosexual copulation --- "

Any way you look at it, the "Sins that Cry Out to Heaven for Vengeance" include economic sins as well as anti-life sins and sexual sins. Sacred Scripture and the traditional teachings of the Church are in agreement here.

"Fire and brimstone" are the wages of any mortal sin, not just homosexual depravity and not just the 4 sins listed above.

Let's not "minimize" any of them.

23 posted on 05/28/2015 4:20:15 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (He comes to judge the living and the dead, and the world by fire.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Let's not "minimize" any of them.

Let's not falsely conflate acknowledging the clear distinctions made by God Himself with "minimizing" sin.

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"Sins that Tend to the Destruction of the Human Race"

The sins that cry to heaven for vengeance are: Wilful murder, sodomy, oppression of the poor, defrauding labourers of their wages. This category of four grievous sins is not a class of the worst possible sins, for none of them are opposed directly to God, but of sins that must provoke God's anger in a way that we do not attribute to His Divine anger against many other sins, and because Holy Scripture speaks of them as a class apart and as crying to God for vengeance. In the four sins mentioned above, the offence is directly opposed to nature and natural instincts, and therefore to the order in this world which God has taken supreme care to establish. Thus, wilful murder is directly opposed to God's sovereignty, Who alone is master of life; sodomy is a perversion of the true natural sexual instinct, which is designed to perpetuate the race; oppression of the poor extinguishes the ingrained sense of pity in the human heart; defrauding labourers of their wages is opposed to the social instinct that safeguards the property of the members of the body politic. It is obvious that these sins tend to the destruction of the human race.There is good warranty in Holy Scripture for putting these four sins in a class apart and considering them very heinous crimes. Thus : “The voice of thy brother crieth to Me from the earth;” “The cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is multiplied, and their sin is become exceedingly grievous;” “I have seen the affliction of my people in Egypt, and I have heard their cry because of the rigour of them that are over the works;” “Behold the hire of the labourers, who have reaped down your fields, which by fraud has been kept back by you, crieth; and the cry of them hath entered into the ears of the Lord of Sabbaoth” (Gen. 4, 10 : 18, 20 : 19, 13; Exod. 3, 7 ; Deut. 24, 14 ; Jas. 5, 4). [Rev. Henry Davis, S.J., Moral and Pastoral Theology, 4th ed. (New York: Sheed and Ward, 1943), pp. 214-15].

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/05/sins-that-tend-to-destruction-of-human.html

24 posted on 05/28/2015 4:37:36 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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“Sins that Tend to the Destruction of the Human Race”

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/05/sins-that-tend-to-destruction-of-human.html


25 posted on 05/28/2015 4:44:03 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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Let’s pray for each other. I’m off to Mass!


26 posted on 05/28/2015 5:03:51 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Of course. God bless.


27 posted on 05/28/2015 2:26:17 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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