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All that gray, Jonathan? You really want all that gray from your church? Actually you sound more like you want the black and white.
1 posted on 05/14/2015 1:45:17 PM PDT by EBH
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We get it. Millenials are whiny narcissts.


2 posted on 05/14/2015 1:57:31 PM PDT by subterfuge (Minneseeota: the laughingstock of the nation - for lots of reasons!)
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You noticed the contradiction as well, eh? There were some valid points amid the sloppy, meandering writing.


3 posted on 05/14/2015 1:58:09 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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Well, I agree with him. Quit trying to be everything for everybody. Stop the rock and roll shows and preach about sin, redemption, and grace.


4 posted on 05/14/2015 1:58:10 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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What I have tried to tell people for years! What my retired Uncle Pastor told me! Contemporary services and their lack of tradition, lack of liturgy, lack of the real Gospel message turn people off. Including myself!
It’s why I ended up in a Missourri Synod Lutheran Church.


6 posted on 05/14/2015 2:00:08 PM PDT by vpintheak (Call the left what they are - regressive control-freaks)
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It sounds like the author pines for something like the Eastern Orthodox church, or for something like the pre-Vatican II Catholic Church, churches which do not/did not pander to contemporary styles and which offer/offered a rich tradition and a strict moral code.


8 posted on 05/14/2015 2:04:31 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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I was born when a washed-up actor was in the White House.

Clinton?! ;-)

9 posted on 05/14/2015 2:05:10 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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Liberalism is very predictable - it destroys something, calling it outdated or irrational or inefficient, and then it becomes sentimental about what it has destroyed.


10 posted on 05/14/2015 2:08:08 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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Very well written bunch of pompous, ungrateful, arrogant, nonsense.

Many of the criticisms are valid while many are not. It is glaringly lacking is any Scripture while it gives the phony claim to approving of doctrine. There is no acknowledgement of the Lordship of Jesus. Whatever the structure, He is the boss.

“Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.” The style may change but the Truth does not.

Liturgy is a style, not a doctrine. Depending on specifics, it can be ok or not ok. But it saves no one.

Another glaring thing is a complete lack of gratitude and appreciation for others other than peers who agree with him.

The author is a talented writer who does not come across as one whose head is Jesus and whose body is ALL fellow believers. He comes across as an ego-centric know-it-all out to condemn pretty much everyone who had authority over him while he was young because HE knows better. Good luck with that. You will likely raise a generation that will turn and bite back with condemnation of your phony liturgical church that is all outward piety with no inward understanding of God’s Word or love for God’s Law or obedience to it.

“The one who obey’s Me is the one who loves Me.” — Jesus.


11 posted on 05/14/2015 2:10:26 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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Sorry, Jonathan. The world may be gray, but sin and salvation ARE black and white. I will, however, agree with him about being prepared to answer tough questions. But, here’s the caveat, it must be done without judgment and with love and humility, and you had better be able to back it up with Scripture. I’ve been asked some very off the wall questions. I’ve taken some VERY strong stands with the ladies I teach in my Bible Study, but I point to the Word as the final authority, not me, and I emphasize that we’re all sinners, saved by grace.


17 posted on 05/14/2015 2:35:39 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Bear His image. Bring His message. Be the Church.)
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I love the theology, but I hate the expectations of pseudo piety. Love the gospel, hate the patriotic moralism. Love the Bible, hate the way it's used. Love Jesus, but hate what we've done with him. Love worship, but hate Jesusy entertainment.

I am in my late 50's and have two millennial sons. I very much agree with what he has laid out in the thoughts above. The Christianity peddled in many churches today comes across as phony. Too often, life as a Christian is passed off as "everything is great and you ought to be grinning from ear to ear every day". That is a phony message. True that all works together for the good of those who love the Lord, but often times we don't get much of that "good" until we check out on this earth. Truth is, life is hard and it is full of pain and disappointment. Sometimes were are fortunate that great blessings are sent our way, but the faith of most of us is tested every day we live. Sugar-coated Gospel is sold in way too many churches. The millennials and many others know it is a phony sell. The article is very good food for thought.

18 posted on 05/14/2015 2:40:56 PM PDT by RatRipper (Obama has made me the slave of sluggards.)
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I am not sure what contempary music is but about the second time a rock band showed up I left as it gave me the feeling I was at a swingers club instead of Church.


25 posted on 05/14/2015 3:27:53 PM PDT by ravenwolf (s letters scripture.)
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crackhead pope


27 posted on 05/14/2015 3:35:03 PM PDT by zzwhale
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No. He’s asking the Church to address the ‘grey’ and not ignore it. The messages that this generation have been bombarded with all their lives (heck, my generation as well) conflict with many religious teachings. Society has muddied the waters and too many churches are trying to ignore these things rather than confront them.

It’s better to say, “I know that this *looks* grey, but it’s not. And here’s why this church is going to stay on the straight path.”


30 posted on 05/14/2015 4:10:59 PM PDT by Marie
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Jonathan suffers from "I" Strain.
32 posted on 05/14/2015 4:17:35 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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Lots of red flags. Lots of valid points about trashy contemporary worship and youth-worship, really. But sounds like this Freak is a confused, narcissistic liberal who simultaneously wants old time religion and for Homos to have the right to bugger the congregation.


33 posted on 05/15/2015 4:28:46 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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