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To: edwinland
ultimately relied on incentives and scolding to get us to be good. Article

And the Calvinists never relied on incentives and scolding to get people to convert?" Edwinland

to be good
to convert

You have your categories twisted into a knot.

11 posted on 05/13/2015 10:03:38 AM PDT by Gamecock (Why do bad things happen to good people? That only happened once, and He volunteered. R.C. Sproul)
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To: Gamecock
You have your categories twisted into a knot.

Incorrect; I chose my words quite carefully. The author the article criticized the Catholic Church for the means of scolding and incentives in addition to the ends of 'being good'. My point that well-known Protestants also use scolding and incentives stands.

In addition we could have a debate over whether the ultimate aim of the Catholic life of faith is indeed "to be good" instead of "becoming Christ himself" but since we have that argument in virtually every other thread I decided to make a different point this time.

15 posted on 05/13/2015 2:01:11 PM PDT by edwinland
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