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This is an excellent exposition on the doctrine of Mary as the Mother of God.
1 posted on 05/08/2015 3:01:55 AM PDT by rwa265
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Fundamentalists are sometimes horrified when...

...the first word in a "Catholic Answers" article is an intentional slander.

2 posted on 05/08/2015 3:13:14 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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This is wonderful - thank you for posting it!


3 posted on 05/08/2015 3:14:42 AM PDT by Ken522
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... Since Mary is Jesus’ mother, it must be concluded that she is also the Mother of God: If Mary is the mother of Jesus, and if Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God. There is no way out of this logical syllogism, the valid form of which has been recognized by classical logicians since before the time of Christ.

More error and fantasy from the largest cult in history! Continually trying to elevate a mortal woman to goddess status...

God has no mother! He is eternal. Alpha. Omega. Get it?


4 posted on 05/08/2015 3:15:18 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Impeachment is the Constitution's answer for a derelict, incompetent president! -Sarah Palin 7/26/14)
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Interesting regarding Bobby Jindal (and Mary):
You, on the other hand, have had much experience in using prayer to help solve crises, going back to your college days when your ceaseless "Hail Marys" helped deliver your friend Susan from the devil in what you later realized was her exorcism.

As I'm sure you recall, Governor Jindal, Susan's depression about her cancer quickly progressed from depression into despair, and you found yourself in a room with her and a bunch of Campus Crusaders for Christ and other well-meaning but green evangelicals, wanting to help but unable to do so.

When you tried to join in the group's prayer, you felt "a weight on your chest," and initially could not overcome the darkness that was now taking ahold of your soul as well. But according to your 1994 article "Beating a Demon, Physical Dimensions of Spiritual Warfare," "suddenly...and strangely, I found myself repeating the Hail Mary until it became a chant. As a recent convert to Catholicism, I had yet to accept the Catholic doctrines concerning Mary, and considered [them] to be idolatry. Though I had never prayed a Hail Mary before in my life, I now found myself incapable of any other form of prayer."

But as it turned out, it was your prayers, along with the intervention of a crucifix (later found to have been blessed by John Paul II) that turned the tide for Susan, and her faith in Christ was restored. -Beating Obama and BP: My "beaded" letter for Bobby Jindal

5 posted on 05/08/2015 3:23:07 AM PDT by mlizzy ("Tell your troubles to Jesus," my wisecracking father used to say, and now I do.......at adoration.)
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My guess is that the intent here is to have Mary be in authority over all of us and thus the Catholic Church.

Can someone tell me if I am wrong in this? PS: GRPL Ping

9 posted on 05/08/2015 3:41:16 AM PDT by CptnObvious
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Rome’ Mary in ‘her own words’

1. Whosoever shall faithfully SERVE ME by the recitation of the Rosary shall receive signal graces.

From the how to pray the rosary instruction booklet.

Let’s test that with scripture:
How about quoted scripture from her Son?

Luke 4:8
Jesus answered him, “It is written, ‘YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD AND SERVE HIM ONLY

If protestants would read what the Catholic church pumps out as direct quotes from ‘Mary’ ,maybe they would see Rome has a lying Mary that points to a false Christ.

But that would mess up their roman Christmas, good Friday, easter Sunday and every Sunday that is affiliated with this false Christ..

This ‘Mary’ can be proven to be a liar and no lie ever points to Truth.
And the Roman Catholic Church gets away with their false premise that they have anything to do with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Mainly because her daughters let her..

Prophetic.


11 posted on 05/08/2015 3:51:49 AM PDT by delchiante
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For a argument sake....Mary is the mother of God...

How does that in endow her with all the attributes Catholics attach to her?

Co-redeemer, intercessor , born sinless...etc

If I was a brain surgeon, it doesn’t mean my mother can operate on patients because she gave birth to me...


13 posted on 05/08/2015 3:57:04 AM PDT by Popman (Christ Alone: My Cornerstone...)
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NCCs [non-Catholic-Christians], by and large, in my opinion, fear Mary. That She will somehow distract them into not loving Her Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ, leading them into hell. Yet the opposite has been true for anyone who loves Our Lady. They are pulled closer and tighter to Her Son, Christ Our King. The evidence is everywhere [all around us], but easy to shun if one wants to.
16 posted on 05/08/2015 4:39:30 AM PDT by mlizzy ("Tell your troubles to Jesus," my wisecracking father used to say, and now I do.......at adoration.)
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If Mary is the mother of Jesus, and if Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God.


I agree with that in a real sense: The sense that Mary is the mother of the human biological machine occupied by God. And that machine shows up at least twice in the OT (Wrestling with Jacob and in the furnace with Shadrach, Meshach, And Abednego.


17 posted on 05/08/2015 4:40:28 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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There is a distinction here between Mary as Theotokos (θεοτόκος) which more accurately means "bearer of God," as opposed to Theometor (θεομήτωρ), which would be the more literal Greek for "Mother of God." Mary was the bearer of God, since God the Son was both borne by her and born in the flesh from her.
18 posted on 05/08/2015 4:40:44 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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yawn


20 posted on 05/08/2015 5:07:55 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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Since Mary is Jesus’ mother, it must be concluded that she is also the Mother of God

False. Mother of God is a horrible translation of Theotokos. Theotokos means "God-Bearer". Theotokos is important because of what is says about Jesus.

"Mother of God" is important because of what it says about Mary. "Mother of God" is wrong.

If you read one of the creeds, it says that Mary is the Theotokos, with respect to the manhood. Mary bore the manhood of Jesus, but she did not bear the godhood. Jesus was god from conception, but his godhood was not contained in Mary.

So, you can say that Mary is the Mother of Jesus' manhood, but you can not say that Mary is the Mother of Jesus' godhood.

21 posted on 05/08/2015 5:08:50 AM PDT by Tao Yin
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I'm not certain what a "fundementalist" is, but if you believe Jesus, all mothers are the mothers of Gods: Ye are gods. If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

And furter, if you read the law he was quoting, you will find he was saying that he, himself, was a man and would: die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

But I'm only a man and accept that I don't know everything.

27 posted on 05/08/2015 5:41:20 AM PDT by OK Sun (Freedom is not just another word.)
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As one who attends a fundamental Baptist church, I can assure you that the fears and reactions attributed to us in this article aren’t entirely true. We don’t sit around talking about what is wrong with your religion and we never wring our hands in fear. The only ones who sometimes bring it up is former Catholics in our church.

According to them, the “problem” we have with the Catholic view of Mary is that she was without sin and that she can hear and answer prayers to her. She bore Christ our Savior, but that didn’t impart his non-human attributes to her. She was a servant of the Lord, obedient and faithful.


29 posted on 05/08/2015 5:48:30 AM PDT by NorthstarMom (God says debt is a curse and children are a blessing, yet we apply for loans and prevent pregnancy.)
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Some have run with the “mother of God” theme and generated the ideas that Mary is co-mediatrix, co-rendemtrix, sinless, queen of heaven, and even queen of the universe, elevating her well beyond the humble servant that she is.


30 posted on 05/08/2015 6:18:39 AM PDT by tbpiper
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Jesus was the only begotten son of God, God and his son are one in the spiritual sense because God is a spirit.

John 4
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The father and the son are one in spirit, meaning Gods spirit was in Jesus, it was not put there by Mary.

Mary was the mother of Jesus but God is spirit so she could not be the mother of God.


38 posted on 05/08/2015 8:44:40 AM PDT by ravenwolf (s letters scripture.)
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And a mother to us all.

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Benedict XVI’s Mass for Solemnity of Mary, Mother of God (Catholic Caucus) [Graphics]

Do a virgin birth and perfect knowledge make Jesus less human? Or Mary less a mother? [Ecumenical]
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40 posted on 05/08/2015 9:15:45 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Fundamentalists are sometimes horrified when the Virgin Mary is referred to as the Mother of God. However, their reaction often rests upon a misapprehension of not only what this particular title of Mary signifies but also who Jesus was, and what their own theological forebears, the Protestant Reformers, had to say regarding this doctrine.

Right. Wrong, wrong and wrong.

45 posted on 05/08/2015 10:32:33 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (God is very intollerant, why shouldn't I be?)
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PS, this post is such a jump ball.


47 posted on 05/08/2015 10:33:28 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (God is very intollerant, why shouldn't I be?)
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Blasphemy!

If you like it, you’ll love hot, dry, sulfurous weather forever!
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51 posted on 05/08/2015 11:39:48 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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