Luke's Gospel states that Mary was a virgin when Jesus was conceived in her womb, by the Overshadowing of the Holy Spirit. She is the Mother of Jesus, chosen to be so by God Himself, and thus deserving of respect, if nothing else.
Catholics believe that Jesus was born in a way that was just as miraculous as the way He was conceived, and that Mary always was a virgin and is in perpetuity.
Yes, we get it. Many non-Catholics do not believe that Mary remained a virgin afterward. The semantics training for that are on every Marian thread we conduct here.
Well, if words are that important, then maybe the phrasing of those words into arguments ought to be, as well. The inaccurate and unnecessarily graphic statement of our Catholic beliefs regarding the Virgin Birth was offensively and inappropriately stated.
God made the human body, and it is a beautiful thing, but is a sarcastic mention of human genitalia necessary in a religious forum, when it is the mother of Jesus who is spoken of on such a way?
We are all the fruit of our mother's wombs, but does one speak of their own mother and the external intimate parts of her body? I should hope not. Not the place for it. Not certain there is one, except where medical problems are concerned. Either way, NOT HERE.
I was taught to respect, not only my parents, but other people's parents as well. Phrasing a comment about the mother of Our Savior in such a way, is disrespectful to Him, as well as to her, and to we Catholics who regard Mary as our Mother.
Very seldom in these forums does one see proclaimed a love for Jesus and gratitude for His Sacrifice for us; there is so much time spent insulting and attempting to decry our beliefs about Mary. Love for Jesus is not shown simply by attempting to refute what one perceives as false beliefs- praising, loving, and honoring Him should be intrinsic to forum: respect for Mary, and love for Jesus are not mutually exclusive. Love of Jesus, and speaking crudely of His mother that way are not compatible.
This is a discussion forum, not an episode of "Jersey Shore." Can we please keep it that way, for Jesus' sake, and that of the Mother whom He loved?
No you do not get it! In fact, you are avoiding the entire issue, which is the Catholic Church's denial and hostility to the literal truth of Genesis!
I merely brought up the "miraculous birth" story to point out the hypocrisy of Catholics (and Orthodox) who become pietistic fideists when it comes to the "miracles" of the "new testament" but who loudly deny that the Book of Genesis can be literally true because "science says it couldn't possible have happened!"
Bottom line: if you accept the anti-scientific "virgin birth," then you have no legitimate grounds to reject the Creation account of Genesis on "scientific" grounds!
What is it with you people? Why are you so thick-headed on this subject???
Calling A-mighty G-d a liar (G-d forbid!!!) because He allegedly didn't tell us the truth in Genesis, which He Himself wrote, is disrespectful. Don't you think?
You want your supernaturalistic beliefs respected? Stop attacking the truth of Genesis!!!
Who is it that mentioned "genitalia" other than yourself?
If that occurred on some other thread then complain about it there, would you? You may even find agreement that there is basis for complaint -- yet on this thread there is no basis for that sort of complaint that I could see. If there is some particular comment someone made that I missed --- could you point directly to it, instead of all this loose alluding to there having been some offense committed?
Why in your note of complaint all this focus upon Mary?
Do you not realize that when Marionist beliefs are criticized, it is most often about the extent of those beliefs themselves, rather than Mary herself being spoken ill of?
Semantics training? What particular semantics are you babbling about? Somewhere on this thread...concerning...Mary?
Then please leave the type of gossiping accusations dragged in from who knows where back where they may do some good.
Then, realize that if one person speaks crudely or rudely -- it doesn't equate to any and all others whom oppose some aspects of Roman Catholicism speak in the same ways.
Got that, noOB?
I'm serious. Your own "semantics" at present --- do not fit, on this thread.