Posted on 04/01/2015 10:22:59 AM PDT by amessenger4god
N00bie kid if the author doesn’t think we are already living in tribulation in this country, and the world at large, when does he think it will start ???
See the website of the “Pre-Trib Research Group” headed by Dr. Thomas Ice! This is an excellent resource! There are some good pastors listed there, who contribute their research papers every year, at their annual meetings in Dallas.
Stretching things a bit ...
It will start after the AntiChrist is revealed and then known to the world, and after the agreement between the Jews and Arabs is concluded ... whether by mutual agreement or by an imposed agreement (it could seen as being done either way).
Another indicator that we’re in the Tribulation is when you see “ground being broken” for the construction of the Third Temple.
Another indicator of being “in the Tribulation” is when you see those “two witnesses” in Jerusalem, giving God’s message to the world and that no one can arrest them or hamper them from doing that.
Another indicator of “being in the Tribulation” is when you see 12,000 Jews each group being from the 12 Tribes of Israel (being a total of 144,000 Jews), going out to the world, giving the Message of the Gospel of the Salvation of Jesus, the Messiah of Israel.
If someone can run down that list and show me where that’s the case with each one of them ... THEN I’ll know I’m in the Tribulation.
Wake up folks! Erdogan has declared himself “god” do you have to see him sacrifice a pig in the Temple before you believe we’re in it? Apostasy is rampant in the church universal with gay marriage and pro abortion, screwed up doctrine that says you can have your “best life” now. Where is the Cross of Christ preached, believed and, more importantly, lived??? Pretrib is just an excuse to escape persecution - especially for Americans who believe they are the only Christians that matter in the world and the world revolves around them. Those recently martyred in the middle east aren’t looking for a pretrib rapture. They’re looking for a Crown of Life.
I see the events something like this chronologically: 3.5 year tribulation. Followed by “rapture” (Revelation 7, after the sealing of the 144k). Followed by 3.5 year wrath of God on whoever is left other than the 144k.
Tell me where those thongs are happening in my previous post, then I’ll know we’re in the Tribulation.
“thongs” = “things” in the post ... LOL ...
Stretching things a bit ...
The head sunday school teacher at my church was VERY knowledgeable about the bible and taught on prophesy a LOT. His class was typically about 80 people. He had written a white paper on the subject and asked me to read it. He said it would make it clear that Pre-Trib is the correct interpretation.
I was quite excited. I mean, I WANTED to believe in Pre-trib. Who wouldn’t?
But when I was done, my response was the same as yours was to this article. I saw him reading WAY too much stuff between the lines and ignoring plain language.
I will say that my opinion is just that - an opinion. And the bible is intentionally somewhat secretive about what will really take place.
As bad as it is, we’re not in it yet. But I believe it is literally around the corner. Heck, my tag line even hints at it.
2 Thes 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
I hardly think that these verses make the case for a pre-trib rapture. I don’t find the case in the bible for two “parusias”, but a single event. There will not be two returns of the Lord, but one. That will be when the Wrath of the Lord is executed, and we (those that are alive) will meet him in the air at that time.
“N00bie kid if the author doesn’t think we are already living in tribulation in this country, and the world at large, when does he think it will start ???”
We’re not in the Tribulation period...yet. If you think it is bad now, you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.
The woman is Gods Church. She is taken to a place in the wilderness, not Heaven.
The Tribulation is 42 months.
Well, the important thing is not when the interpretation came into existence, but whether or not it is the correct interpretation.
For the record, I side with the pre-trib rapture guys.
Nations rise, nations fall. Nothing to see here.
I did at first too. Then after careful study I came to the conclusion it won’t happen the way Pre-Trib’s say it will. There are arguments for Pre,Mid, and Post Trib. As well as against. I personally don’t care one way or other. There would be three comings of Yeshua. The first where He died as the Suffering Messiah, then the Second coming as the Conquering Messiah. No where does it say He comes three times i.e. for His Church in the Rapture. All the Disciples and Apostles were looking for His coming the Second time only.
I don’t know, but I’d be willing to bet that we’ll see some signs soon after Bambi becomes Secretary-General of the UN.
Just an off-the-cuff opinion.
I’ve gotta admit that I’ve become mostly “pan tribulationist” - It will all pan out in the end. I just think the most likely of the various ones is the “mid-trib” also called “Post-trib, pre-wrath” belief.
To me, who cares when it happens. I’m just looking for the Second Coming ... and world events today sure are pointing in that direction.
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