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1 posted on 03/29/2015 2:11:17 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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2 posted on 03/29/2015 2:12:12 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.


3 posted on 03/29/2015 2:17:22 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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Yer doin' yeo-woman's work, Mom .. and I thank you.

I don't feel very wordy today, so I'll just AMEN all the good stuff here

5 posted on 03/29/2015 2:17:37 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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Old heresies never die.


7 posted on 03/29/2015 2:22:16 PM PDT by 9thLife ("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Pope Francis)
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This was posted on another thread this morning. I’d never heard of this before...

The Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano
Ancient Anxanum, the city of the Frentanese, has contained for over twelve centuries the first and greatest Eucharistic Miracle of the Catholic Church. This wondrous Event took place in the 8th century A.D. in the little Church of St. Legontian, as a divine response to a Basilian monk’s doubt about Jesus’ Real Presence in the Eucharist.

During Holy Mass, after the two-fold consecration, the host was changed into live Flesh and the wine was changed into live Blood, which coagulated into five globules, irregular and differing in shape and size.

The Host-Flesh, as can be very distinctly observed today, has the same dimensions as the large host used today in the Latin church; it is light brown and appears rose-colored when lighted from the back.

The Blood is coagulated and has an earthy color resembling the yellow of ochre.

Various ecclesiastical investigation (”Recognitions”) were conducted since 1574.

In 1970-’71 and taken up again partly in 1981 there took place a scientific investigation by the most illustrious scientist Prof. Odoardo Linoli, eminent Professor in Anatomy and Pathological Histology and in Chemistry and Clinical Microscopy. He was assisted by Prof. Ruggero Bertelli of the University of Siena.

The analyses were conducted with absolute and unquestionable scientific precision and they were documented with a series of microscopic photographs. These analyses sustained the following conclusions:

•The Flesh is real Flesh. The Blood is real Blood.

•The Flesh and the Blood belong to the human species.

•The Flesh consists of the muscular tissue of the heart.

•In the Flesh we see present in section: the myocardium, the endocardium, the vagus nerve and also the left ventricle of the heart for the large thickness of the myocardium.

•The Flesh is a “HEART” complete in its essential structure.

•The Flesh and the Blood have the same blood-type: AB (Blood-type identical to that which Prof. Baima Bollone uncovered in the Holy Shroud of Turin).

•In the Blood there were found proteins in the same normal proportions (percentage-wise) as are found in the sero-proteic make-up of the fresh normal blood.

•In the Blood there were also found these minerals: chlorides, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, sodium and calcium.

•The preservation of the Flesh and of the Blood, which were left in their natural state for twelve centuries and exposed to the action of atmospheric and biological agents, remains an extraordinary phenomenon.


8 posted on 03/29/2015 2:36:44 PM PDT by Twotone (Truth is hate to those who hate truth.)
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Jesus also said “feed my sheep.” Many take that to mean give people manna/food, others say it means to teach the word of God. Doing the latter would have been best for the whole world.


9 posted on 03/29/2015 2:54:00 PM PDT by This I Wonder32460
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Footnote 1: I should add that the Roman Catholic position is particularly absurd in that it takes "this is my body" as implying that the bread ceases to be bread and becomes the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus. Likewise, it is claimed that "this is ... my blood" implies exactly the same thing about the contents of the cup. That's quite far from taking the words literally, in which the bread would just be the body, and the contents of the cup would just be the blood.

In addition, Catholics do not take the Lord literally when He said to “drink this cup,” for as you cannot drink a cup (though if transubstantiation is allowed, so means of ingesting a cup could be), but it is manifest that the cup represents what it contains. Yet while endocannibalism and drinking blood is forbidden, they refuse to allow the bread to represent the Lord's sacrificial body and the wine His shed blood.

Rather than telling Jews to ingest human blood, the wine that it contained represents the Lord's blood which was to be poured out, like as Ps. 22:14 prophetically says, "I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels." (Psalms 22:14) And which metaphorical language the apostles would have been well familiar with.

More, bless God.

11 posted on 03/29/2015 2:55:27 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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From one argument out of the Watchtowr handbook to the next, geez.
17 posted on 03/29/2015 3:32:30 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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Roman Catholics like to try to claim that they are just taking Jesus "literally" when they interpret "this is my body" to mean that what was in Jesus' hands was not bread but his physical body

Why does junk -- I use the word after due consideration -- like this ALWAYS point the finger at "Roman Catholics," and the proceed to trash a belief that's held equally by Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, traditional Lutherans, and traditional Anglicans?

I tend to think it's because "Roman Catholic" is some sort of talismanic boogie man to a large part of the evangelical Protestant world, and that's really what this is all about.

19 posted on 03/29/2015 3:34:04 PM PDT by Campion
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I will say it again. Examine the miracles surrounding the Holy Eucharist and you will be converted. You want to argue “logic” but God sees your logic and raises you one with Eucharistic miracles. Argue all you want, you cannot deny the facts of miracles.


23 posted on 03/29/2015 4:04:00 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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Good work mom.


24 posted on 03/29/2015 4:05:31 PM PDT by Mark17 (Beyond the sunset, O blissful morning, when with our Savior, Heaven is begun. Earth's toiling ended)
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When did Christ institute a sacrament of living water?

Answer: He didn't. This is why no-one celebrates such a sacrament today.


But He did institute a sacrament of His Body and Blood. He spoke in metaphor about living water - but he spoke literally about His body and blood.

He commands us to eat His Body and Blood. His words are unmistakeable.

I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Christ literally gives Himself to us as real food and real drink. There's nothing to misinterpret here. There's no room for manoeuvre.

Moreover when we consider the language used in the Gospel of John, the literal interpretation becomes undeniable.

In John 6:50-53 we encounter various forms of the Greek verb phago, 'eating.' . As in 'Sarcophagus'.

However after the Jews begin to express incredulity at the idea of eating Christ’s flesh, His language intensifies.

In verse 54, John begins to use trogo instead of phago. Trogo is a decidedly more graphic term, meaning 'to chew on' or to 'gnaw on'—as when an animal is ripping apart its prey. The text is closer to:

Whoever gnaws on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

If anything more needed to be said: St Paul is also abundantly clear

Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.

All this: not to mention Christ's insitutution of what we now call the Eucharist at the Last Supper.

From Luke:

And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood."

If any corroborating evidence were needed, St Paul speaks about the Eucharist in Corinthians.

And when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.”

I quote these to show that Christ's Body and Blood were eaten and drunk in the very early Church.

You can post a hundred times a day - and I don't doubt that you intend to do so - yet you cannot efface the words of Christ.


It's midnight here. I am off to bed. I daresay that another attack thread exactly like this one will be along tomorrow - so to all, good night and God Bless.

25 posted on 03/29/2015 4:05:39 PM PDT by agere_contra (Hamas has dug miles of tunnels - but no bomb-shelters.)
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Who is Turrantine and why should I care what he thinks?
And why is this posted as religious news when it is a vanity post?


45 posted on 03/29/2015 5:20:13 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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Jesus told us very directly how to be saved. “If you obey My commands, you are My friends.” were His clear instructions in John 15: 14. Jesus divides humanity into two groups. He is telling us plainly that each knowledgeable person is either among His Friends or not. Those who knowingly choose not to be His friends must be assumed to be enemies.

In John 6: 53, He gives the oddest command in history. For 2,000 years, He has separated His obedient sheep from vain self-worshipers who denigrate his very explicit command: “If you do not eat My Body and drink My Blood you do not have life in you.”

At The Last Supper, He empowered The Only Church He Founded. Through their long, living link with His chosen Apostles, Catholic priests are still ordained with the miraculous ability to turn bread and wine into His Blood and Body.

Those who knowingly refuse to do what is necessary to eat His Body and drink His Blood are disregarding Jesus’ command. They chose not to do what is necessary to “eat My Body and drink My Blood” and they have therefore chosen to not “have life in you.” They have committed a mortal sin by willfully disobeying the words of our Lord and Savior.

It is not wise, and, in the longest view, it is not even sane, to consider Who Jesus is, contemplate the vast power at His command, and reject His friendship.

We should pray to be blessed with the humility to obey Jesus’ commands. Our immortal soul, and where it spends eternity, depends on that.


86 posted on 03/30/2015 8:33:52 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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Our Savior Jesus Christ wants us to come together in Love, not start yet another contentious flame war between Catholics and Protestants. It is Holy Week. Let us Love each other, not argue and insult each other. Spread God’s love for you with each other. Don’t waste it on yet another contentious argument.

It is Holy Week. Just love one another as Christ loves us.


87 posted on 03/30/2015 8:40:05 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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How convenient to be able to pick and choose which words of Jesus to take literally, depending on how you want to support your doctrine.

That’s the ticket to establishing false teaching.

Make up a doctrine and then find verses to support it.


132 posted on 03/30/2015 10:35:52 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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