[Gamecock]

[Kolokotronis]

Quite an article; I’m not sure what to say, except that I had best read it again.

[madprof98]

In parts of the world where people are allowed and encouraged to take these things seriously and to think them through, people increasingly find that they can do without the God factor.

What parts might those be? I am suspecting he means Madison WI, Austin TX, San Francisco CA and similar liberal cesspools.

[Finny]

The problem isn't morality, it's amorality, without reference to morality. Food stamps and welfare are charity without reference to morality -- they become entitlements and the providers become slaves.

Homosexual "rights" without reference to morality creates a class of tyrants able to use government force in "anti discrimination" laws to make people accommodate what most would civilly decline in varying degrees on moral grounds. So all, from adoption agencies to landlords to schools to bakeries, become subject to amoral tyranny because they are denied their right to choose morally.

Morality comes from God. The Founders knew it.

Atheists don't believe in God ... I don't believe in atheists! {^)

[rusty schucklefurd]

In a nutshell, the writer seems to be sort of a “deist-agnostic”. He’s open to the idea that there is “something” out there beyond our understanding and that that “something” might have something to do with our existence. But, if there is a “something”, it cannot possibly be the Christian God or the God of Judaism.

His main argument against the Christian view of God is the existence of human suffering. The writer thinks that is the smoking gun that thwarts all belief in a “good” God.

At least, that’s my take on the article’s main points.

[Heartlander]

“Evolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religion–a full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality. I am an ardent evolutionist and an ex-Christian, but I must admit that in this one complaint–…–the literalists are absolutely right. Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.”
– Michael Ruse, How evolution became a religion

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The time has come to take seriously the fact that we humans are modified monkeys, not the favored Creation of a Benevolent God on the Sixth Day. In particular, we must recognize our biological past in trying to understand our interactions with others. We must think again especially about our so-called “ethical principles.” The question is not whether biology—specifically, our evolution—is connected with ethics, but how. As evolutionists, we see that no [ethical] justification of the traditional kind is possible.

Morality, or more strictly our belief in morality, is merely an adaptation put in place to further our reproductive ends. Hence the basis of ethics does not lie in God’s will…. In an important sense, ethics as we understand it is an illusion fobbed off on us by our genes to get us to cooperate. It is without external grounding. Like Macbeth’s dagger, it serves a powerful purpose without existing in substance.

Ethics is illusory inasmuch as it persuades us that it has an objective reference. This is the crux of the biological position. Once it is grasped, everything falls into place.
- Michael Ruse and E. O. Wilson, The Evolution of Ethics

[Zionist Conspirator]

On what grounds does a non-theist object to anything on “moral grounds?”