Beats you?

Then don't you think that THIS should be retracted?

They are generally lower for the Catholic clergy except for this specific period of time.

No. Anecdotal evidence supports the statement from multiple sources.

But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which if they were written every one,the world itself,I think,would not be able to contain the books that should be written.”

Indeed, then John 20:31 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

If there is a doctrine espoused that references eternal life's acquisition, requirements etc, then it should be found written in the Gospel of John, shouldn't it?

Maybe our disagreements are based on a difference in the definition of “Word of God” and I wonder if you and many other nonCatholic Christians limit the “Word” to what was written,whereas at a certain point Catholics understand that Jesus Christ was the “Word of God”.

He was the “Logos” and was there from the beginning. So when He came down to show us the means of returning to the Father Who made us,He told us that He was “The way and the life and the truth”. What is the ‘way” but to follow Him? And how do we follow Him so that we can do what He hopes we will do with the free will that He gave us.

Prayer when we listen to God rather than talk to Him are very enlightening and one soon recognizes that we must read and pray and understand Him. Many Catholics do that by thinking about what He said,who He said it to, who else was there,where was everyone located,what was their reaction and a myriad of other factors.How do you think we know about the wedding feast at Cana?Do you think that perhaps Mary told John about it when she was living with him after Jesus died? Could she have been the one who told John that she told the servants to "Do whatever,He tells you to do do"? Did he write it down and tell others about it and was it written after Jesus died but while His Apostles still lived and were writing the gospels?

When I contemplate as I pray my rosary that is what I hear and see. I would say that the Catholic Church opens up many avenues for us to love God while providing a firm foundation for His children or people in the Church He established to bring us back home.

FYI,I looked up the King James version and guess what there is a comma in that statement.

No it does not.

It largely does, as rather than being forsaken in a real sense by God, you make Christ into saying the opposite, and in effect it reduces the suffering of Christ in being made sin and suffering in darkness not simply crucifixion, but the fellowship of the Father.

Do you really think that the cup the Lord the dreaded to consume was only being abused whipped and crucified? Rather, as dreadful and agonizing as that was, I believe that His greatest suffering was spiritual, that of becoming what He hated, even if by imputation, and losing the fellowship of the Father, even if for a moment, and which the long dark hours in the cross signify

And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour. (Mark 15:33) And if you were familiar with Scripture then you should know that being delivered over the hand of enemies is described as being forsaken by God, which word means "loosen, that is, relinquish, permit." Which is exactly what the Father did, Who "spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all," (Romans 8:32) in delivering His very own Son into the hands of wicked men, to atone for sin, as He made Christ to be sin for us. And God is of "purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity," (Hab. 1:13) and whose face of is against them that do evil. (Ps. 34:15)

Of course, God does behold the evil and the good, (Prv. 15:3) but in a real sense God God can hide His face even from good men as Job, and which the Psalmists cried, (Ps. 13:1; 27:9; 51:9; 69:17; 102:2; 143:7) as well as from the disobedient to bring repentance. (Dt. 31:17)

Did not the Lord bring us up from Egypt? but now the Lord hath forsaken us, and delivered us into the hands of the Midianites. (Judges 6:13)

But which is not the same as being utterly forsaken, (cf. Ps. 119:8)

For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee. (Isaiah 54:7)

For Israel hath not been forsaken, nor Judah of his God, of the Lord of hosts; though their land was filled with sin against the Holy One of Israel. (Jeremiah 51:5)

For we were bondmen; yet our God hath not forsaken us in our bondage, but hath extended mercy unto us in the sight of the kings of Persia, to give us a reviving, to set up the house of our God, and to repair the desolations thereof, and to give us a wall in Judah and in Jerusalem. (Ezra 9:9)

But Zion said, The Lord hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me. Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. (Isaiah 49:14-15)

As the Psalm says, " For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard."

Which in context is referring to all those of the Lord who are so afflicted, And which refers to not being utterly forsaken, though enduring dark nights of the soul, and thus the soul can proclaim the reality of the Lord's ultimate deliverance. As the old hymn states, "When darkness hides His lovely face, I trust in His unchanging grace." But the reason one can be afflicted, is because God has forsaken, relinquished them into the hand of the enemy, as Christ was and asked, but only for a moment.

Jesus is teaching His Jewish audience, specifically His disciples, what they are seeing and telling them this isn't the end of the story.

That much is definitely True. Thanks be to God.

No. Anecdotal evidence supports the statement from multiple sources.

Sounds like what a DoJ spokesperson might say.

Anecdotal evidence supports the statement from multiple sources.

Now THERE is a fine oxymoron for us!

Got any of THOSE sources handy to see?

But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Some folks might miss the obvious unless smacked over the head with it...

Have you looked up the Greek source of the KJV statement?

Untraceable, but true.

I don’t see the Protestant replies here as disunity at all. While some people might favor the interpretation of Psalm 22 over that of Jesus being forsaken by God at that time to suffer our punishment in our place, or vice versa, this is a very minor point. The differences can be explained by different experiences, which come down to the Lord teaching each person individually. After I first read the Bible, I saw it more as a reference to Psalm 22 because I still didn’t understand the other interpretation so well, but now that I know a lot more, I believe, like many Christians do, that both are correct.

I also know a lot more about a lot of things in the Bible, which has increased my understanding, but that doesn’t mean that when I knew less my knowledge was off-base or faulty. The foundation of the most important beliefs about Jesus was always sound. The right foundation, if it’s there, is always far stronger than some minor mistakes, imperfections, weaknesses, or immatury in our understanding, or else no one’s faith would survive

In this question, unless there is deep, contentious disagreement where people disavow another interpretation being expressed then there is not disunity. If that was the case, you could ask people who spoke either of Psalm 22 or Jesus needing to be forsaken for our sakes if they thought the other interpretation didn’t apply and should be rejected but I doubt many if any people would say that. The two interpretations are both interpretations supported by Scripture. And, too, your interpretation sides with Psalm 22 against the other interpretation, while someone posted from the Catholic catechism on this question, and it only mentions the interpretation of Jesus being forsaken for our sins.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P1O.HTM

I’ve also seen quite a few articles by Catholic apologists that similarly “insult” Protestants. But there is an actual point to what is said in the title, and it’s not about the abilities of individual Catholics, but about Catholic teaching and belief. Growing up and living for decades in a highly Catholic place, while being from a mainstream Lutheran family, there wasn’t a born-again Christian presence so I also have to say that I didn’t understand “it is finished,” either.

Look at both the Catholic and evangelical beliefs on salvation, where both will agree on crucial things like that Jesus is God’s Son, the second person of the Trinity, was born of a virgin, died for man’s sins, and was resurrected.

Beyond that, the Catholic understanding of Christianity is to look at yourself and consider what’s right and what’s wrong in order to do the right and avoid the wrong. That’s therefore about the person and their performance, which is sometimes good and sometimes bad.

In the born-again Christian understanding, someone should also consider what’s right and what’s wrong in order to do what’s right and avoid what’s wrong, but then it recognizes something else. The emphasis isn’t on keeping track of your good works and sins, but instead on the reason that you’re trying to do what God wants you to, and trying not to do what He commands you shouldn’t - that you have been converted so that you are no longer in rebellion against Him, but agree with Him that He is good and just, that His ways are the only right ones, that sin is wrong, destructive and deadly, which grieves Him, and that you’ve personally sinned against Him. That means you are no longer His enemy, but are on His side. THAT is God’s ultimate work accomplished in a person, a person who has accepted God’s authority over himself.

Such a person will not perfectly follow God on earth, because he is still in the unredeemed flesh and in this fallen world, but he will desire to and make every effort to. As Paul wrote in Romans 7, once he agreed with God that sin is sin and he didn’t want to do it, it was no longer him doing it, but the sin that dwelled in him, in his flesh. As the Bible also says, though, all of this isn’t a license to sin, and no Christian who’s really yielded himself to God would want it to be, but only explains why Christians aren’t perfect in all they think, say and do while still on earth. Yet the most important work by God has been completed in them, that they have been reconciled to Him.