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Pope's Shocking Hitler Youth Comparison (Pope blasts gender theory. Media blasts Pope)
DailyBeast ^ | February 20, 2015

Posted on 02/21/2015 1:22:04 PM PST by NYer

The pontiff has a bad habit of dissing women and marginalizing sexual minorities. Is he as liberal as his image suggests?

News emerged last week that Pope Francis has strongly criticized modern theories of gender, comparing them to the educational policies of Hitler and the destructive possibilities of the nuclear arms race.

In an interview included in a new book by Andrea Tornielli and Giacomo Galeazzi, Pope Francis: This Economy Kills, and released in part in the Italian daily La Stampa, Francis compared gender theory to nuclear arms: “Let’s think of the nuclear arms, of the possibility to annihilate in a few instants a very high number of human beings. … Let’s think also of genetic manipulation, of the manipulation of life, or of the gender theory, that does not recognize the order of creation.”

In using the term “gender theory,” Francis is denouncing the academic perspective that sees gender identities as a spectrum rather than as binaries. Gender theorists argue that the way people identify themselves is the result of social and cultural constructions of gender.

This has important ramifications for how we think about biology and sexuality. While the point may seem academic, its ramifications are not. The recognition that gender exists on a spectrum has provided part of the intellectual foundations for both LGBTQIA advocacy and women’s rights.

In the interview, Francis recalled how a public education minister was given funding for new schools for the poor only on the condition that school textbooks taught gender theory. Francis described this as “ideological colonization” and added that “the same was done by the dictators of the last century. … think of Hitler Youth.”

In his comments on gender and creation, Francis was alluding to the Catholic notion of natural law: that moral and theological principles are encoded in the created world, there to be seen and studied and learned: “The design of the Creator is written in nature.”

But in invoking creation, Francis unavoidably invokes the first chapters of Genesis, where the Bible lays out “the order of creation.” This is where the confluence of tradition, biblical text, and gender runs into some difficulty.

Let's think of the nuclear arms. … Let's think also of genetic manipulation, of the manipulation of life, or of the gender theory, that does not recognize the order of creation."

The “natural” relationship of men and women is commonly understood on the basis of the story in Genesis 2, the Garden of Eden, where Eve is famously created after Adam, formed from a rib taken from the side of the first man.

This story has given rise to millennia of female subordination. The Catholic notion of complementarity, like many other religious positions on the matter, goes back to the statement that woman was created to be, in the words of the King James Bible, a “help meet for him.” It says there, after all, that “she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.”

But this two-step process of the creation of humanity, first male and then female, is directly at odds with the description of creation in Genesis 1.

There, in the magisterial seven-day creation story, we find this verse: “God created humankind in his image; in the image of God he created it. Male and female he created them” (Genesis 1:27).

The simultaneous creation of both male and female on the sixth day presents a very different perspective on the relative roles of the two genders. Unlike in the Garden of Eden, where Eve is created in order to provide Adam with fit company, in Genesis 1 the two first humans are treated as equals: everything that God says—the blessing of fertility, dominion over the earth, and the granting of plants and trees for food—he says to both of them, using the plural “you.”

It might seem that regardless of which version of creation one chooses, the basic division of humanity into male and female remains evident. But the history of interpretation tells a different story.

Indeed, one of the very earliest interpretations of Genesis 1:27 evinced just the kind of gender confusion that Francis castigates as a peculiarly modern problem. The Jewish philosopher Philo, who was contemporaneous with Jesus, declared that the first human creation was not two individuals, “male and female,” but one individual, “neither male nor female.”

Some of the early versions of the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, the Septuagint, in fact rendered the verse as “male and female he created him.”

This idea was taken up both in Judaism and early Christianity. In the writings of the rabbis of the early first millennium CE, we read: “At the time that God created the first human, he created him as an androgyne.” Though they may have come to be deemed heretical with time, some Gnostic Christian texts say the same: “By means of verbal expression he created an androgyne.”

What may seem to be the “natural order of creation” is therefore not necessarily so—the conventional understanding to which Francis alludes is, like everything else, a product of a particular culturally-bound reading of the biblical text.

The Pope’s statements about gender identity were made in the context of his current push to raise awareness of the importance of caring for the environment. It’s for this reason that he constantly returns to the importance of creation. This has been a controversial topic for Pope Francis, with many conservative politicians refusing to stake out a new position on climate change. Perhaps, then, his strong language about traditional gender roles is intended to soothe the frayed nerves of conservative Catholics.

It wouldn’t have been the first time Pope Francis had followed a seemingly liberal (although often just traditional) statement on poverty, the environment, and charity with a seemingly conservative (although, again, just traditional) statement on contraception, the importance of procreation, and women’s roles. In September 2013, the day after he gave his famous America interview about how Catholics shouldn’t “insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods,” he gave a statement reaffirming the Catholic Church’s opposition to abortion and contraception. And shortly after saying that Catholic families don’t have to reproduce “like rabbits,” Francis said last week that deliberately childless couples are “selfish.” There seems to be a strategy here.

But whether he means to or not, when it comes to placating conservative elements in the Church, Pope Francis consistently sells women down the river. For Francis, the go-to issues for establishing his conservative bona fides are his opposition to women priests, contraception, and his scathing judgment of childless families. He may just be rehearsing traditional Catholic perspectives, but when you add to this his tendency to use negative and mildly chauvinistic imagery to describe women a pattern emerges. Even if Francis were a closet liberal, he’s a liberal who ranks women’s interests at the bottom of his list of priorities. And if we take Francis’s position on gender theory and the “natural order” seriously, then we give up certain kinds of gender equality, as well as the possibility of creating a fully welcoming environment for same-sex couples or trans-individuals.

Francis’s interests in poverty and the environment are welcome, exciting, and sorely needed. His comments on women are not. And at the end of the day it’s possible to recycle cardboard without recycling centuries of misogyny.


TOPICS: Catholic; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: gendertheory; glbt; hitler; hitleryouth; homosexualagenda; honeymoonisover; lovefestisover; popefrancis; transgender
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1 posted on 02/21/2015 1:22:04 PM PST by NYer
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Media love affair with the pope waning, ping!


2 posted on 02/21/2015 1:22:49 PM PST by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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MSM shocked that Pope sometimes seems to be Catholic.


3 posted on 02/21/2015 1:26:16 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: NYer
One interesting observation amid the leftist twaddle:

It wouldn’t have been the first time Pope Francis had followed a seemingly liberal (although often just traditional) statement on poverty, the environment, and charity with a seemingly conservative (although, again, just traditional) statement on contraception, the importance of procreation, and women’s roles. In September 2013, the day after he gave his famous America interview about how Catholics shouldn’t “insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods,” he gave a statement reaffirming the Catholic Church’s opposition to abortion and contraception. And shortly after saying that Catholic families don’t have to reproduce “like rabbits,” Francis said last week that deliberately childless couples are “selfish.” There seems to be a strategy here.

4 posted on 02/21/2015 1:27:43 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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The thing is a Catholic can’t be “sometimes” a Catholic.


5 posted on 02/21/2015 1:33:16 PM PST by piusv
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To: NYer

I haven’t been Francis’s biggest fan; he’s a Latin American lefty, or so it seems. But he’s completely right on this.


6 posted on 02/21/2015 1:41:00 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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Good job by the pope. Astounding that we live in a time that doesn’t recognize male and female. This really is a revolutionary socialist era no different that the great cultural revolution. Hitler youth is 100% appropriate.


7 posted on 02/21/2015 1:48:03 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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Now common sense is social norms imposed on homosexuals.

The homosexuality preachers never go preach decency to sinners, for some odd reasons. What else is the Pope supposed to do? Conduct a cowardly inquisition on those who can be easily tempted by sin such as young children? Or preach to the savages?

Interesting that they want indeed an Hitler youth demanding decency from good jews like the Church erred during inquisition, but not demanding decency from arab savages, in good communism collectivist cowardly fashion.

This is how Spain got invaded by muslims, because the Spanish Branch of the Church was too busy harassing good people instead of seeing the threat of Islam and pagans.


8 posted on 02/21/2015 2:03:24 PM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: DesertRhino

man gives manhood, woman womanhood. Homosexuality is inherently anti charity and neglectful.

They are simply attacking the good fathers and mothers who gave, and yes, sacrificed in the yoke of gender, since in Heaven we are like unto angels.

In other words they are neglecting to raise children, to preach to these difficult creatures, and avoiding to preach to sinners and islamists who have zero decency to care for a dialogue of any kind.

Go see the sinners, not the ones who already give!

But God has it for revenge that our new age idiots will outright destroy the remnant of those educated enough to give, turning the world into a desert. They are like ravening wolves devouring everything in their path without control, killing the deer population because only attacking the young.


9 posted on 02/21/2015 2:08:38 PM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall no)
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To: NYer
The “natural” relationship of men and women is commonly understood on the basis of the story in Genesis 2, the Garden of Eden, where Eve is famously created after Adam, formed from a rib taken from the side of the first man. This story has given rise to millennia of female subordination.

Ah ... so traditional gender roles were all driven by the story of Adam and Eve! That explains why women held such higher status in non-Western, non-Judeo-Christian cultures.

Oh, wait ....

10 posted on 02/21/2015 2:14:40 PM PST by sphinx
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To: ConservingFreedom

I don’t know that the Pope has any strategy, and I’m not sure he knows either. He’s either being manipulated and saying things and then appearing to back off so that the alarm cannot reach the critical point, or demented (as in dementia) and doesn’t know what he’s saying and that what he says one day is contradicted by what he says the next.

If this is the way that the Pope feels about “gender theory,” why did he invite the Spanish woman who thinks she is “transitioning” to being a man, along with her female “fiancé,” to the Vatican for a special audience, from which the woman emerged saying she felt “welcomed.” Also, the Vatican requested the woman’s diocese to pay all her expenses because she had written the Pope a letter complaining that her parish priest told her that what she was doing was evil. Which it is. And the Pope had no right to override this.

Sorry, but I’m not convinced by him, no matter what he says.


11 posted on 02/21/2015 2:25:49 PM PST by livius
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“And if we take Francis’s position on gender theory and the “natural order” seriously, then we give up certain kinds of gender equality, as well as the possibility of creating a fully welcoming environment for same-sex couples or trans-individuals.”

That about sums it up. Liberals welcome sexual deviancy. We Christians welcome children. Their god is sexual promiscuity. Christians worship the true God, and know that children should be raised by a mother and a father.


12 posted on 02/21/2015 2:29:28 PM PST by heye2monn
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To: NYer

I recommend the author(s) of the article stand naked in front of a full length mirror along with an old copy of the Encyclopedia Britannica that is open to the pages on human anatomy. They then compare what they see in the mirror in the region below their belly button and above their knees and see if it matches the illustration of a male and a female. They will then know their ‘gender’ or more correctly, their ‘sex.’

I remember learning in grade school that people and animals had ‘sex’ either male or female, while words had gender, meaning masculine, feminine, or neutral.


13 posted on 02/21/2015 2:46:39 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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Seems fairly obvious that Genesis 1 gives an overview. Genesis 2 details. Don’t see any contradiction.


14 posted on 02/21/2015 3:20:47 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Seems fairly obvious that Genesis 1 gives an overview. Genesis 2 details. Don’t see any contradiction.

Agree. What's shocking, however, is how they have manipulated and twisted sacred scripture to support their absurd position.

15 posted on 02/21/2015 3:56:00 PM PST by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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The Beast discovers the hazards of believing their own (and their colleagues on the left’s) hype on Pope Francis.


16 posted on 02/21/2015 4:27:59 PM PST by RichInOC ("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but one mustn't misuse it."--Pope St. John Paul II)
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The sex zombies would rather that Eve had been made from mud rather than human flesh. Very progressive.


17 posted on 02/21/2015 4:34:14 PM PST by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: livius

Again, this is how Modernists behave. It’s really not a mystery once one sees this.


18 posted on 02/21/2015 6:10:51 PM PST by piusv
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At first I thought he was a heretic, but now I just think he’s a flake. They’re both dangerous.


19 posted on 02/21/2015 6:37:07 PM PST by livius
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“When the time comes you will fully understand” Jeremiah 30:28


20 posted on 02/21/2015 6:59:56 PM PST by asyouwish
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