Posted on 02/06/2015 5:05:04 PM PST by RnMomof7
Gospel ping
Great post!
Hoss
...(Jesus)...He did not become a sinner (as some suggest), but remained as holy as ever... “He was treated as if He were guilty of all the sins ever committed by all who would ever believe”, though He committed none..... The “wrath of God” was exhausted on Him and the just requirement of God’s law met for those for whom He died.”.......
I agree with this....it was not that Jesus became our sin as much as HE endured our rightful punishment. As believers, He “paid the price” we deserve.
Sin demands justice...For Mercy cannot operate apart from Justice........Jesus said he’d willing pay that price of our death for His. (Sin when finished brings forth death).
Wonderful.
Thanks for posting this.
It’s when we really understand the substitutionary atonement, that we can stop trying to merit our own salvation.
Jesus Christ was made “ flesh “ in the “ likeness “ of sinful flesh, but yet was without sin.
Jesus Christ was innocent, the perfect man in the sight of God, and never sinned.
He was made “ in the likeness “ of sinful flesh, sinful mam, he took on our sin, our penalty in our stead so God can give us in exchange his righteousness.
If it were possible for Jesus Christ to be sin or have sin God would have never accepted his self sacrifice for us and the new covenant would not have been ratified by his blood if it had been tainted by sin.
Just the mere fact that God raised Christ from the dead is the fact that God was pleased and accepted the once and for all, and for all time sacrifice.
Mercy is not Mercy if it was not given freely, or Mercy can’t be Mercy if it is owed, required or demanded.
God “ chose “ to extend Mercy on whom he freely wanted to.
Can’t “ merit “ something or salvation if it is freely given out of God’s own free will and decreed before the foundations of the world.
I agree.
Sadly some people still seem to think that they need to do something to get it from God.
it’s a great point. our sin debts were imputed to Christ, who was still holy, who took the real punishment for them, and in the same way for believers in Jesus, His Grace is imputed to us, while we are still sinners - both sinner and saint simultaneously.
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Jesus (God the Son) voluntarily took responsibility for the sins of all believers.
In doing so, he performed the dual task of bearing the wrath of God (thus becoming “hamartia” for sinners’ sake) and restoring the sinners to righteousness. From an earthly time line we see an improvement that culminates in perfection in heaven. From an eternal time line it is already a done deal in God’s book.
It would be like a sound business purchasing a bankrupt business and paying its debts and restoring it to soundness.
I guess I would put it this way as far as the sin part goes.......like walking across a river full of every type of perversion and filth that sin is, was, and ever would be......He's God so it couldn't penetrate him but that doesn't mean it didn't feel the force of it....after all he smelled the stench of Sodom and Gomorrah...as it drifted to heaven so to speak.
Yes, I think that is probably the answer. The first punishment that we endure for our sins is simply separation from the Father, because the unclean cannot be in His presence. So if Jesus was being treated as we would, then this may have been the only time He ever felt that separation. In that context, his exclamation on the cross makes a lot more sense.
Very well expained. I like this author.
Became sin in the sense of incurring its liability.
Amen! There was no other way.
Though some may claim that they believe and teach that we are saved by God's grace and mercy, they deny that we receive His gift by faith alone. They may even claim we are saved by grace through faith - and that IS what Scripture clearly says - but then throw in the caveat that we must do works in order to remain in God's grace (i.e., cooperate with grace) and we cannot know until we die and face His judgment whether or not we will be saved. I don't see how that way of thinking demonstrates any understanding of grace or mercy. Paul said in Romans that it is either grace or works, not both, and that if it's by grace then it can't be by works because grace wouldn't BE grace. (Romans 11:6) If we have to do good works to either get OR keep salvation, then it's not grace.
Through our actions, our way of life after we come to Christ, we exhibit genuine faith. Good works certainly have a place in the life of a Christian. How can they not? God created us unto good works that we should walk in them (Ephesians 2:10). But, these works are because God is working in us, giving us the desire and the power to do what pleases him (Phil. 2:13) and NOT to count towards the righteousness required for salvation - that's what Jesus imputed to us through faith.
I guess I'm the one who is always a little contrary...
2Co_5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
I realize it doesn't make any difference in the conversation here but I believe Jesus did take on our sin...He became sin...
Luk 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Luk 22:43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
Luk 22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
I believe that is the 'cup' Jesus was referring to...He couldn't stand the thought of becoming sin...
And believing that is important to me since while I know Jesus suffered tremendously with the beating and torture he went thru in the flesh, it couldn't have compared to the agony of knowing that he, being sinless, would become sin...But anyway, great conversation and topic...
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