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Christians denominations are religiously balkanized, and this prevents the establishment of a unified, stable, legally-binding American definition of “religion” that could be used to stop the terrorism of Islam from being protected by the 1st Amendment. Lacking this not only enables terrorism, it also enables liberals to protect Muslims by completely avoiding the murderous realities of Islam - literally in the name of American freedom. This is obscene and it MUST stop, or America is doomed. The definition of religion under the 1st Amendment CANNOT be allowed to include any organization or religious teaching that advocates killing, harming or enslaving non-believers, or replacing American law with anything else. Period.

But if there is a correction Christians must first make to better follow the teachings of Christ, then that’s where this change needs to start. Because once that is done, the politics that naturally flow from that correction will be supported by the Grace of God - which is the true protection of America - and which will never fail us if we do our part by, at the very least, stop damning each other to hell. So I propose that the test of whether we are following Jesus’ actual teachings is whether an enemy can take advantage of our mutual animosity in His name, in order to pervert our own God-given rights into being used against us. Because (in my humble opinion) Jesus did NOT intend His own teachings to result in the destruction of America. And so if that’s what is happening - and it obviously is - we’re getting something seriously wrong and we need to correct it immediately.

1 posted on 01/19/2015 4:10:33 PM PST by Talisker
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To: Talisker
Why do self-proclaimed “Christians” say America is a “Christian” nation, when they only define “Christian” as their own specific denomination?

I've never seen or heard of such a thing, that is just silly nonsense to claim such a silly thing.

2 posted on 01/19/2015 4:21:06 PM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: Talisker
Their argument for this, however, is actually a LIBERAL argument. Because liberals believe that people who believe that Jesus Christ is their savior are Christians - period. And so they lump ALL forms of this belief together as one. Then actual Christians reference this LIBERAL description of themselves to call America a “Christian” nation.

Hmm...

(1 Jn 4:1-3a)
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God; for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God.

(1 Jn 5:1-4)
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the parent loves the child. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For the love of God is this, that we obey his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome, for whatever is born of God conquers the world. And this is the victory that conquers the world, our faith.

It seems that John affirms the underlined.
4 posted on 01/19/2015 4:30:41 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Talisker

Wall of text.


6 posted on 01/19/2015 4:31:16 PM PST by Crim (Palin / West '16)
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To: Talisker

Are you a Mormon?

Is that why you are attacking Christianity and America?

I know that you promote the Mormon religion as being a Christian denomination, when in reality it is an entirely new religion, a polytheistic religion, and is not considered Christian by any Christian denomination, not the Catholics, or the Baptists, or Methodists, or the Orthodox, or anyone.


9 posted on 01/19/2015 4:43:27 PM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: Talisker; Gamecock; metmom; daniel1212; BlueDragon
....BOTH Catholics AND Protestants ALSO believe that the other is going to hell! And for what? For not believing in FURTHER details about Jesus EXACTLY as they do. Because what I described - ALL OF IT - is NOT enough to ANY of them.. it gets worse, because Protestantism is broken into innumerable sects which also believe that about EACH OTHER - not just about Catholics...Catholics ONLY mean Catholics are Christians, Baptists ONLY mean Baptists are Christians, Lutherans ONLY mean Lutherans are Christians, Anglicans ONLY mean Anglicans are Christians, Calvinists ONLY mean Calvinists are Christians, Presbyterians ONLY mean Presbyterians are Christians, Methodists ONLY mean Methodists are Christians, Pentecostals ONLY mean Pentecostals are Christians, Mormons ONLY mean Mormons are Christians, etc., etc., etc.

You've been drinking too much kool-aid.

10 posted on 01/19/2015 4:46:29 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Talisker
I agree wholeheartedly with your essay. The concept of "Christian Nation" in most Americans' minds is contradictory with their religious beliefs.

I don't believe there is precedence for deciding that a particular belief system doesn't count as a religion under the First Amendment. There is, however, precedence for denying members of particular sects from engaging in certain behaviors even if they claim those behaviors are part of their religious rites, etc.

I seem to recall that certain "religions" claimed that taking psychotropic drugs was one of their religious rites, but they were denied this practice.

I believe that it will be difficult to claim that Islam is not a religion. The best we can hope for is that certain Islamic practices such as Sharia courts, jihad, etc. will be denied.

Unfortunately, that knife has two edges. It is the same knife that will allow Christians to continue to call themselves such, but deny them the ability to oppose gay marriage and other liberal programs.

11 posted on 01/19/2015 4:46:50 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Talisker

**So there’s NO true common ground among so-called “Christians” - NONE. Because it’s only lip service when you believe the other person is actually going to writhe and scream in unbearable torment for the rest of eternity because they don’t agree with you. That’s called a “litmus test.”**

You are a very confused individual.


12 posted on 01/19/2015 4:51:39 PM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a preacher of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Army officer.)
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To: Talisker

The position I have heard most often is just the opposite, that Christians are Christians. My Sunday School class is a mix of former Catholics, former Baptists, former Presbyterians, and other crossovers, and no one is particularly concerned about those details as meaning they were not real Christians. In public, my experience has been the same. The bottom line: I do not see the problem you think you see.


13 posted on 01/19/2015 4:54:37 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Talisker

All of this-—this lengthy, emotional vanity-—because you’re mad that folks were busting you on your MLK worship?

Dude.


14 posted on 01/19/2015 4:55:03 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Talisker
"But BOTH Catholics AND Protestants ALSO believe that the other is going to hell!

I have seen this so often on FR I can hardly believe it sometimes! Whenever I see it I post this, but it doesn't seem to sink in:

Porthos: You know, it strikes me that we would be better employed wringing Milady's pretty neck than shooting these poor devils of Protestants. I mean, what are we killing them for? Because they sing psalms in French and we sing them in Latin?

Aramis: Porthos, have you no education? What do you think religious wars are all about?
16 posted on 01/19/2015 5:11:23 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Talisker
"Here’s a perfect example - a Catholic FReeper was recently denouncing Martin Luther King as a non-Christian because of all of his various failings in deeds and belief. In addition to sleeping around on his wife, and hanging around with communists, she pointed out several supposed beliefs MLK had about Christ that are non-traditional and even contrary to common generally-accepted teachings.

To her accusations, I laughed out loud! Why? Because SHE’S CATHOLIC. Which means that even if MLK was a perfect Baptist, never cheated on his wife, and was sterling in every possible way, politically, morally and religiously - she would STILL believe that he was going to hell!"

BTW, Talisker, I might be wrong, but I think you're speaking of me, here. It would have been okay for you to name me.

It is true that MLK denied the Virgin birth, the Second Coming, and the existence of hell. He also believed that Jesus "attained" divinity through "moral struggle."

It's strange you would laugh at that and blow it off. You see, to BE a Christian, one has to believe in the tenets of the religion. And the tenets espoused by MLK were contrary to Christianity---his beliefs directly denied basic Christian doctrine.

Also, I'm not Catholic. And I don't believe Catholics are going to burn in hell.

So much for all of your assumptions.

17 posted on 01/19/2015 5:16:05 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: Talisker
And therefore the use of that word is only really honest when used by NON-Christians, because THEY all mean the same thing. But to the contrary, Catholics ONLY mean Catholics are Christians, Baptists ONLY mean Baptists are Christians, Lutherans ONLY mean Lutherans are Christians, Anglicans ONLY mean Anglicans are Christians, Calvinists ONLY mean Calvinists are Christians, Presbyterians ONLY mean Presbyterians are Christians, Methodists ONLY mean Methodists are Christians, Pentecostals ONLY mean Pentecostals are Christians, Mormons ONLY mean Mormons are Christians, etc., etc., etc.

Oh, nonsense......

People are not only being really honest when they behave or say the way you think they ought to and if they tell you different, they are lying.

I've stated before and will again, that there are Christians and non-Christians in every denomination. The only thing that varies from church to church is the percentages.

I don't know the denominational affiliation of most of the other born again believers on this board, nor do I care.

If they adhere to Scripture over tradition, then there's common ground, contrary to your belief otherwise.

All I see happening here is pushing a one world religion.

No thanks.

18 posted on 01/19/2015 5:33:47 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Talisker
Because liberals believe that people who believe that Jesus Christ is their savior are Christians

"Believing" doesn't cut it - even the demons believe (James 2:19).

20 posted on 01/19/2015 6:25:54 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: Talisker

And the fact that books or translations which would support their position exist, but have not been included in the Bible, is going to matter to them a lot, since their souls are at stake.


The reason they were left out is because God did not want them in there.

And don`t mistake our love of a good argument for anything but what it is.

Jesus said that many would be called but few would be chosen, the ones here doing all of the arguing may well be the only ones who will be chosen.


21 posted on 01/19/2015 6:26:16 PM PST by ravenwolf (s letters scripture.)
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To: Talisker

God, through the Bible, tells us whom He is; tells us whom the chosen people are to prove who He is; and tells us of Him walking in flesh amongst us (Emmanuel) in Yeshua.

To be positively sure, always go back to the original document(s).

Everything else is humanist speculation and ego’s run amok.


29 posted on 01/19/2015 7:38:35 PM PST by Wiz-Nerd
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To: Talisker
Which means that even if MLK was a perfect Baptist, never cheated on his wife, and was sterling in every possible way, politically, morally and religiously - she would STILL believe that he was going to hell! Why? Because that’s what Catholics believe about non-Catholics.

The idea that all non-Catholics are going to hell is called "Feeneyism". While the church has not -- and probably will not -- condemn it as a heresy, it's certainly not the official view, nor the majority report, or anything even close to it. So, while a few Catholics think all non-Catholics are going to hell, it's certainly wrong to assert that all, or even most, do.

30 posted on 01/19/2015 8:21:58 PM PST by Campion
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To: Talisker

I don’t agree with all your observations but enough is true enough to explain why I went non-denominational. Too many “nuances” between the Christian religions.


31 posted on 01/20/2015 3:26:04 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Talisker
You are absolutely delusional about Martin Luther King. King didn't believe J*sus was "gxd" or that he was born of a virgin or that he "died for people's sins" or rose from the dead. He himself admitted this. He was an atheist with a purely rational ethical system to whom J*sus was a great moral philosopher.

Why you don't get this I don't know. But then, judging by your definition of "chrstian," you don't seem to think truth is important anyway.

Once again I wish Free Republic had an "ignore" button.

38 posted on 01/21/2015 6:27:44 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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