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To: defconw

Francis is a leftist that is trying his damnest to change church doctrine on moral issues that have been decided for the last couple thousand years. I like to expose his goals any chance I get and it seems the only people that call him out are Catholics that believe in their faith and trying to live the faith.


10 posted on 01/14/2015 8:52:14 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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Go ahead and keep on with it. It's all fine. I was just pointing out that people are posting stuff that they do not vet and from blogs and various other sources that would normally be laughed off in serious places. OK? So what?
12 posted on 01/14/2015 8:56:53 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: NKP_Vet; Gamecock; metmom; daniel1212; BlueDragon; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; HossB86
Francis is a leftist that is trying his damnest to change church doctrine on moral issues that have been decided for the last couple thousand years. I like to expose his goals any chance I get and it seems the only people that call him out are Catholics that believe in their faith and trying to live the faith.

ROTFL! Anyone else who calls a pope out for leftist politics is shouted down as a "virulent anti-Catholic". He's all yours.

To paraphrase an alleged statement by one of your earlier popes, "Since God has given your church this papacy, you'd better learn to enjoy it."

17 posted on 01/14/2015 9:04:39 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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And in light of this,

“Even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom... He who rebels against our Father is condemned to death, for that which we do to him we do to Christ: we honor Christ if we honor the Pope; we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the Pope.”

[St, Catherine of Siena, SCS p 201-202, p222 (quoted in Apostolic Digest, by Michael Matauc, Book 5, “The Book of Obedience”, Chapter 1]

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And in finding a link to the post, I ran across this interesting comment,.....

http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage_print.asp?number=304075&language=en

EWTN Catholic Q&A
Roman and seminary search
Question from Bill Foley on 09-10-2002:

Roman wrote “unity with the pope at the expense of Catholic doctrine.” It seems to me that he is really not seeking a seminary that is truly Catholic, that is, one totally faithful to the papal magisterium. Please note what Saint John Bosco said to his spiritual sons as he was dying: “Do not ever forget these three things: devotion to the Blessed Sacrament, devotion to Mary Help of Christians, and devotion to the Holy Father.” Saint Catherine of Siena, a Doctor of the Church, has written: “Even if the pope were Satan incarnate, we ought not to raise up our heads against him, but calmly lie down to rest on his bosom. He who rebels against our father is condemned, for that which we do to him we do to Christ; we honor Christ if we honor the pope; we dishonor Christ if we dishonor the pope.” Roman is also confusing St. Mary’s Seminary in Baltimore with Mount St. Mary’s in Emitsburg. The Holy Father is the principle of unity in the Catholic Church; if one is separated from the Holy Father, then one is separated from the will of God. I suggest that Roman go into the document library of EWTN, enter “papacy” as keyword, and then read the wonderful essay by the late Cardinal Gilroy re the papal magisterium. This wonderful son of the Church refers to the papacy as a “sacrament of truth,” which it is.
Answer by Matthew Bunson on 09-10-2002:

Thank you. Such readings are useful for all of us.


43 posted on 01/14/2015 12:27:25 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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