Posted on 01/13/2015 7:48:25 AM PST by Reno89519
Very long... suggest reading at the link. Basically he seems to blame women and feminization for the ills of the church, for loss of manliness, and even for homosexuality!
There are those who blame everyone, but the person who gives into temptation.
I read the interview and he does not.
If it were not for faithful Catholic women the Church would have died out centuries ago. Tthese carefully crafted statements to cover the disdain for women and blame femininity itself for the Church’s problems will not go over well.
This reminds me of priests (or pastors) who rant from the pulpit about all the people who don’t come to church ... to the people who are in the church! Not very bright.
He does not blame women.
He uses the word feminization as a pejorative. There is nothing bad or wrong with the feminine.
He uses the word feminization as a pejorative.
it is perjorative when applied to a man
Jeff, I’m not going to quote the repeated points and general thrust of his interview but he is rather clear that women are the root of it and if they were not distracting the church and men, especially over the past 50 years, then all would be well. Please take another read.
We are talking here about the femininity of RuPaul, not Mother Theresa.
He doesn’t blame women. Three excerpts were posted on another thread yesterday.
While he does nuance his comments, it is clear that he is in denial that the root of the problem is the church leadership that accepts homosexuals in their midsts, that covers up for them. Sorry, women had nothing to do with this, nor does women asking or demanding bigger role in the church and life have anything to do with this. The church, and as a Catholic myself, is corrupt from the inside.
In a way that implies the feminine is wrong or bad or a net negative in some way.
Look, it’s the same way that calling a man a p-ssy implies that he is not brave or strong, but at the same time it implies that women are not brave or strong. It insults both women and men at the same time when that type wording is used. Why not just use the word coward, which could apply equally to men or women without denigrating the feminine or masculine in the whole?
Words matter. He should not have insulted men by means of the word feminization. It implies a hostility towards the feminine. We need the feminine and the masculine in the church (and in society).
The problem the Church has is that being religious and having religious sentiments are seen in today’s society as a weakness (when it is actually a strength). And the Cardinal is reinforcing that viewpoint through his choice if words, though I doubt he realizes it and those defending his words certainly don’t. Faith, hope, love, charity, kindness, humility ... all are genderless traits.
Perhaps he meant well and simply misspoke. I’ll be charitable (both a male and a female capability).
There is an terrible dearth of men and masculinity in the Church and in our culture. Mothers are wonderful — irreplaceable — but children raised without strong fathers fill the prisons and the welfare rolls. Church services with music written to appeal to ten-year-old girls and lispy, therapeutic homilies repel men. Feminine men who are confused about their sexuality have sodomized boys to the point that real men instinctively mistrust the priesthood.
The point the good Cardinal is making is not that women are bad, but that when an institution is feminized to the exclusion of the masculine, it is broken.
Go to any Catholic service and do a head count of men vs women. Then tell me Cardinal Burke is wrong.
Exactly.
Femininity is a perfection.
However when men see it is thier perfection, or adbicate their role in leadership, problems will inevitably arise.
I hate to see all the prancing about on the alter. The huge amount of extraordinary ministers passing out Communion. The girls as alter boys. It is just
Look at the mainline Protestant Churches, it is in those that have embraced women priests and ministers, have allowed open homosexuality and embraced the feminine where they are dying. They do so because the men have left their churches and they have done so for a very good and understandable reason: All men have a mother, most have a wife and many of those have daughters. They already have enough female opinions in their lives and don't desire the chance to have one at church as well.
Men and masculinity are under assault all over the Western World and that doesn't bode well for the future. The last thing the Church needs is to emulate the losers.
Maybe the problem isn't altar girls. Would you want to be an altar boy, if you had to serve under an effeminate priest?
He is wrong to use those words. He is implying that women, or at least “the feminine” are the reason men are not in church. As to your headcount comment, what do you want, fewer women in Church? The headcount comment sounds like the presence of women in church is what has “feminized” it. The Church would have died out centuries ago if not for faithful Catholic women. It is the women in many families who keep the faith alive. Should they leave so the church won’t be so “feminized”? That’s what it sounds like from such comments.
Also, don’t be fooled. not all homosexual men are effeminate. There are many homosexual men who exhibit nothing but very masculine traits. Just as there are many lesbian women who exhibit very feminine traits. You would not know they are gay at all from outward appearances and actions.
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