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To: MrB

Exactly. If there is no supreme moral force in the universe then words like good, evil, right and wrong have absolutely no meaning. It all devolves to individual opinion. And if it makes me happy to rape you and then cut out your liver and eat it - who’s to say your opinion is more important than mine.


26 posted on 12/18/2014 7:56:16 AM PST by QuisCustodiet1776 (Live free or die.)
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To: QuisCustodiet1776

When right and wrong are defined individually,
all that is left is who has the ability and will
to force their definition on others.


30 posted on 12/18/2014 7:59:52 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: QuisCustodiet1776

C.S. Lewis:

“My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line. What was I comparing this universe with when I called it unjust?

If the whole show was bad and senseless from A to Z, so to speak, why did I, who was supposed to be part of the show, find myself in such violent reaction against it?

A man feels wet when he falls into water, because man is not a water animal: a fish would not feel wet. Of course I could have given up my idea of justice by saying it was nothing but a private idea of my own.

But if I did that, then my argument against God collapsed too–for the argument depended on saying that the world was really unjust, not simply that it did not happen to please my fancies.

Thus in the very act of trying to prove that God did not exist–in other words, that the whole of reality was senseless -I found I was forced to assume that one part of reality–namely my idea of justice–was full of sense. Consequently atheism turns out to be too simple.

If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be a word without meaning.”


32 posted on 12/18/2014 8:03:20 AM PST by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: QuisCustodiet1776

I hear of a person who responded to one who claimed, “There is no right or wrong” very simply. He said, “Is that right?” The other person had nothing to say...


38 posted on 12/18/2014 8:07:43 AM PST by NCLaw441
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