Posted on 12/17/2014 11:31:24 AM PST by millegan
The miracles linked to Our Lady of Guadalupe are many. Very few for the Shroud of Turin. She is the Patron saint for the Americas—Not just Mexico. the image was used as a battleflag and was never hit.
Words are insufficient to describe how much I love Our Lady, as so many others do. What a gift from Our Lord to share His mother with us. When I read the story of Our Lady of Guadalupe it changed my life. Her words to St. Juan Diego melted my heart of stone.
How true the words; that of Mary there is never enough.
Ave Maria Virgo Fidelis
Sounds good to me!
Was Mary born sinless?
Did she remain sinless?
Amen to your comments also.
Mary is blessed amongst women (Luke 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.), and her 'Magnificat' is nonparallel as an exclamation of humility, praise, gratitude, and belief in God's Word:
Luke 1
46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48 For He hath regarded the low estate of His handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
49 For He that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is His name.
50 And His mercy is on them that fear Him from generation to generation.
51 He Hath shewed strength with his arm; He hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
52 He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.
53 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich He hath sent empty away.
54 He hath helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
55 As He spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to His seed for ever.
Quite a depth in her theology. She recognized her need for her Saviour, and that God's Promises are to be trusted (and perhaps even a reference to the original promise that the seed of the woman would crush the serpents head). Her lips were full of the praises of "Him".
My only point is that this exultation of apparitions of Mary is disconcerting. Satan will easily use these things to distract people from our Lord and Saviour as the only means of Salvation, and to rob Him of His glory - and have people trust in that which cannot save.
I'll try to chime in sometime tomorrow about the specifics of apparitions like Guadalupe.
OK :)!
“...I don’t think the Guadalupe deal is Biblical...”
The bible never says that it is the only source of truth. In fact it says the opposite. Sola scriptura is not biblical.
There is nothing written in the Bible that says that Mary was born of an Immaculate Conception.
There is nothing written in the Bible which states that Mary was always a virgin and that her marriage with Joseph was never consummated.
The Bible does mention that Jesus had brothers and sisters.
A brief rebuttal:
http://www.catholic.com/blog/matt-fradd/jesus-had-brothers
You can of course rebut the rebuttal and we can disagree.
Yes!
We can disagree.
We know the Lord created Eve because He did not want Adam to be alone.
We know the Lord commands us to be fruitful and multiply.
It is not unreasonable to assume that Mary and Joseph had a happy normal marriage and that other children followed Jesus’s birth.
It’s not unreasonable. But I think we might agree this was a *special* case.
:)
Yes we can agree on that.
With me, I don’t speculate at all on these matters.
I just go by what it says in the Bible.
The Bible mentions that Jesus was conceived when Mary was still a virgin and that she was impregnated by the Holy Spirit.
However, the Bible does not say that Mary remained a virgin for the rest of her life or that she and Joseph never consummated their marriage.
“I just go by what it says in the Bible.”
As we saw earlier, we disagree on what it says.
Under the doctrine of sola scriptura, we have the same authority to determine this. So we’re at a impasse.
I think refers to a larger point: “However, the Bible does not say..”
Holy Scripture is not in a vacuum. If it were, there would be - and are - many variations of dogma and doctrine that it can be used to support.
This occurred often in the history of the Church. It requires some authority to, for example, declare certain variations as heresy.
I just don’t read into the Bible or speculate on word meanings. It says what it says.
BTW-—the Bible clearly permits marriage among the clergy:
“A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach.”
1 Timothy 3:2
“It says what it says.”
Except when we disagree on what it says. :)
And, celibate clergy is a discipline, not a dogma.
Right. And it is therefore subject to change. It certainly wasn’t mandatory for much of Church history.
And there is NOTHING in the Bible which says that Mary was ALWAYS a virgin or that her marriage with Joseph was never consummated. Since the Bible does in fact mention Jesus’s brothers and sisters it reasonable to assume that Mary and Joseph enjoyed and happy and normal marriage and followed the Lord’s commandment to be fruitful and multiply. I don’t know why some people have a problem with this.
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