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To: BlueDragon
Why, oh why would He have said "My hour has not yet come", which 'hour' you have insisted is the hour of his death, --- then straightaway turned water (which has and carries it's own symbolism) into wine, and that not be included (but not solely inclusive of) representing his own life giving power, even as also the blood payment which He in "his hour" gave, as sign towards the "fall and rising of many in Israel"? (Luke 2:34)

They needed wine. Sometimes people needed food. He went about doing good. His mother had faith to ask him to help others. It all depends on the context of "ma li v'lach ?" If one believes Yeshua and Miriam had a relationship of love and faith grounded in the Holy Spirit you have my answer already. If one believes they were adversaries this day, one comes to a completely different conclusion, thinks she interfered with his Messianic ministry, he rebuked her for it, but did a miracle anyway; cognitive dissonance.

2,599 posted on 12/26/2014 1:05:16 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

Don't you dare apply that "cognitive dissonance" result to myself in this regard.

When you originally said "the Catholics had it right" I did not challenge you as to the usage of the term "woman", or ever claimed that it was a rebuke --- but instead challenged you on something else which you had said...but which has now become lost amid all the noise -- and now you focus here on this other thing which I did not say, substituting that in place of that which I have been speaking towards (as if what you are apparently attempting to infer was my own contention all along) reversing the initial order of our disagreement, and falsely attributing to myself a position which I did not take.

Do you have any idea how infuriating that is?

The grounds you had to cover to get to the accusation, I am not guilty of in the least...

Yet this sort of thing here is what I meant when I mentioned "trainwrecks" and things hopelessly tangled (in your own comments)-- which are a real pain to have to untangle. And it is like that with just about every single exchange -- with you and few of the other Roman Catholic BIGOTS who infest the pages of the FR 'religion forum'.

As for "your answer" I was not seeking that, but was speaking rhetorically, for I know better by now to take your own word for anything which relates beyond the most shallow of considerations as for the things of God.

2,601 posted on 12/26/2014 1:47:28 PM PST by BlueDragon
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