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To: BlueDragon
he was serious, and did include mention of it being before "His time" (which can hold meaning all it's own, in context of weddings & Israel, and the symbolism towards those subjects which had been used previously in Scripture -- and what He himself would do towards the chosen Bride -- which is Israel & the Church)

I neglected to mention, and you deserve to hear, that his "hour" is mentioned elsewhere in the scriptures. His hour was about his sacrificial death, not about some secondary start to his ministry after he had already been baptized by John and the Holy Spirit descended on Him visibly before him, after he had already called disciples who were to be His apostles. I am persuaded he was telling his mother, in a bond of faith, hope, and charity, the bond of the Holy Spirit, that we was always willing to help up until his hour of glorification arrived. This view works much better than the alternative of imagining Miriam jump started His hour, which would be a very strange teaching to hold in light of the other scriptures, not to mention on its face.

2,590 posted on 12/20/2014 5:35:18 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
In spite of the other, just prior notes which you had sent (days ago) in a small series, which contents for are simple enough -- but have some small little baby trainwreck tangles in them (as usual for this forum?) that I have no real desire to put back on track; in this last note, in the opening sentence there was something significant.

Yes, it was about death-his-sacrificial. It was about Life, too...

I never said it was a "secondary" start, yet it was His first miracle that we know of (from actual apostolic source, that is).

All that good stuff...until the hour of glorification? Almost a strange word choice, that. "Glorification". Begs the question -- when was that?

If the crucifixion ---- would that not result in Him having led her along in -- all those Jesus-rappery buzz-words strung together, "bond of faith, hope...charity" just to then later (at "glorification"?) painfully and miserably let her down?

She did experience a [ahem] big-time feeling of being let-down, disappointed. Like -- everything lovely, cherished, hoped and longed for in the entire universe turned away, was snatched away, God too perhaps she then felt -- had done this, allowed this --- her son dying, God too dying, dead/was never alive but if He is can be cruel, is cruel, a different God, cruel beyond comprehension, not Just, not what she knew was true before --- too much to bear -- grief beyond unbearable and continuing to accelerate...

It was all too much. She too was as dead, on her feet, standing there. A living shell of a woman, rooted to the spot, unable to continue to bear witnessing what was utterly gruesomely horrifying and real in all it's gore & blood that was her firstborn son Son of Promise, son of the most High. From that Son --- now the most High God had turned His own back, turned away from herself, her people and nation too --- the ramifications and meaning of all this (at that moment, if that were to have been as it seemed then, The End) even more deeply ugly than the gaping wounds in the flesh of her son Jesus ---yet herself unable to turn away, her soul having been pierced (as prophesied by Simeon).

It's no wonder then that before He died there on the cross, while himself suffering and quiet near to death, Jesus spoke to her, telling her to behold ---> John his apostle (whom Christ loved), and for John to look to Mary as his mother. John cared for her then. She needed him. John was the right one to be there. Of this we can be sufficiently assured?

Always willing to help, that's her boy Jesus.

For crying out loud, man, can't you see that the wine at the wedding, that super-abundance which He supplied Jehovah Jireh --- was symbolic too of His blood shed for payment and remission of sin? Even as also was symbolic of Life and that in more abundance?

He gave himself bodily, His very life. All of it.

The life is in the blood. Leviticus 17:11; which comes from context regarding the Law, now in retrospect, instead of being merely letter of Law (if I can use that word merely to refer to Law, doing so for reason the spirit of the Law had been long veiled, even thickly so) now reads as having been prophecy; (and it was!it was, it was)

Cherie Amour Stevie Wonder

2,595 posted on 12/24/2014 8:16:16 AM PST by BlueDragon (I could see sound,love,and the soundsetme Free,but youwerenot listening,so could not see)
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